Israel begins investigation into authenticity of Jesus inscription

Jerusalem Post/Associated Press ^ | March 5, 2003

[Mr. Mulliner]

You're our resident archaeology expert. Comments?

[Cicero]

Already disproven by a multitude of experts, as posted here in numerous a few months ago.

[blam]

"Already disproven by a multitude of experts, as posted here in numerous a few months ago."

That's what I thought also. The box may be old but the writing isn't if I remember correctly.

[annyokie]

From what I have read, the word "brother" in Aramaic (sp?) is meant to mean "cousin" as well.

It has been proposed that Joseph, being much older than Mary, had children from a previous marriage. Thus, Jesus having a "brother" (half-brother) is not far fetched.

[EternalVigilance]

The New Testament is quite clear that after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary had other children.

No need for historical contortions about it.

[annyokie]

I agree and don't have a problem with the whole idea. It is my Catholic brethren who have an objection to the idea that the Blessed Mother had more than one kid. No offense, fellow RCs.

It makes sense to me, that Joseph and Mary would have had more children.

[Texas_Jarhead]

Jesus did have a half-brother. His name was James.

[Conservative til I die]

The New Testament is quite clear that after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary had other children.

No it's not.

No need for historical contortions about it.

The belief that Mary and Joseph had children other than Jesus is a Protestant invention. Believing that He had brothers and sisters *is* the historical contortion.

[ovrtaxt]

Mark 6:3  Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

[Conservative til I die]

1) Historical context.
2) The Bible was not written in English.

[DensaMensa]

} The Bible was not written in English.

What does that have to do with anything???

[montag813]

It's a good thing this didn't end up in the hands of the Palestinian Authority, who would have just destroyed it., as they have done with thousands of ancient Jewish artifacts found under the Temple Mount.

[Cicero]

There are two issues. As you say, the word translated as "brethren" or "brothers" can mean simply cousins or blood relatives.

The other issue is that although part of the inscription seems genuine, there are problems with the "brother of Jesus" part. It seems to have been added at a different date by another hand. And another expert has said that there are inconsistencies in the spelling.

[infowarrior]

And another expert has said there are inconsistencies in the spelling...

Ever taken a look at the spelling here? That comment means very little...

the infowarrior

[EternalVigilance]

The Gospel according to Matthew - Chapter 1

Verse 18

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Verses 24-25

Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son.

Define 'her firstborn Son' for me, please.

Someone else has already posted some of the later passages that make it clear that Jesus, according to the flesh, had an unknown number of half-brothers and half-sisters.

I don't know why so many feel compelled to hang on to some strange doctrine, easily disproven, that some ignoramus hatched up centuries ago. They gain nothing by it, and it proves nothing.

[EternalVigilance]

It seems to have been added at a different date by another hand.

The article that heads up this thread says the exact opposite:

But Israel's Geological Survey found that the patina on the stone indicates the letters were engraved in ancient times and were not tampered with.

[EternalVigilance]

My position on this box is this:

A) Everything I have seen published about it jives perfectly with New Testament scripture. There is no New Testament reason to doubt its authenticity. If there are any problems with it, they are internal to the object itself.

B) The object's authenticity or lack of authenticity doesn't effect the historical truth or the reality of my own faith in any fashion.

[ConservaChick]

Good Points ("firstborne son"). I would also add that if the hebrew word for "brother" can also mean "cousin" that dosen't explain away the fact that the Bible text says "sisters" also and If the ossuary box is the real thing, it also says James was "the son of Joseph".i doubt "son" also means "nephew".

THere is no reason that Joseph and Mary should not have had other children.Mary and JOseph were not divine.That was part of the point...that Gods son was born to humble people who were human like us.

[Brad’s Gramma]

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