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To: VadeRetro

Among the most well-known proponents of evolution (and a fierce opponent of Creationism), even Steven Jay Gould admits:

"At the higher level of evolutionary transition between basic morphological designs, gradualism has always been in trouble, though it remains the "official" position of most Western evolutionists. Smooth intermediates between Baupläne are almost impossible to construct, even in thought experiments; there is certainly no evidence for them in the fossil record (curious mosaics like Archaeopteryx do not count)." [S.J. Gould & Niles Eldredge (evolutionists); Paleobiology 3:147, 1977]
"The extreme rarity of transitional forms is the trade secret of paleontology ... The history of most fossil species includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism: 1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless. 2. Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and ‘fully formed.’" [S.J. Gould (evolutionist); Natural History 86:14 (1977)]

The Fossil Record

Certain Fossils, Geological Features & Phenomena

90 posted on 03/06/2003 12:12:49 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy; Dataman
Is there some reason the average date in these quotes is thirty years old? Why did you go back to George Gaylord Simpson in 1953 if your thesis is that Simpson's text is still true?

"...Every paleontologist knows that most new species, genera, and families, and that nearly all categories above the level of family appear in the record suddenly and are not led up to by known, gradual, completely continuous transitional sequences."
Hint: How much of the material in post 65 is post-1975? Post-1953? If the answer is "Plenty damn much," then how honest is it to go back so far to find someone speaking who at the time never heard about walking whales, legged sirenians, feathered dinosaurs, most of the East-African hominids, or half in general of what we know now?

A more up-to-date source:

The significance of the fossil record of horses becomes clearer when it is compared with that of the other members of the order Perissodactyla ("odd-toed ungulates"). The fossil record of the extinct titanotheres is quite good (Fig. 7), and the earliest representatives of this group are very similar to "Eohippus" (Stanley, 1974; Mader, 1989). Likewise, the earliest members of the tapirs and rhinos were very "Eohippus"-like. Thus, the different perissodactyl groups can be traced back to a group of very similar small generalized ungulates (Radinsky, 1979; Prothero, et al., 1989; Prothero & Schoch, 1989) (Fig. 8). But this is not all; the most primitive ungulates (hoofed mammals) are the condylarths, which are assemblages of forms transitional in character between the insectivores and true ungulates (Fig. 9). Some genera and families of the condylarths had been previously assigned to the Insectivora, Carnivora, and even Primates (Romer, 1966). Thus, the farther you go back in the fossil record, the more difficult it is to place species in their "correct" higher taxonomic group. The boundaries of taxa become blurred.
[Emphasis mine.]

Not exactly what Simpson was saying in '53, is it? So who are the creationists quoting about "what we know now?" Simpson in '53.

Cretinist quote-science is painting a lying picture with little bits of truth.

111 posted on 03/06/2003 1:44:12 PM PST by VadeRetro (This isn't just easy. This is trivial.)
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To: Remedy
The Fossil Record

Certain Fossils, Geological Features & Phenomena

Thank you for linking your cult's library of resources for naysaying away mainstream science. However, I really don't see where anything actually goes away. Even if it did, I don't see where you have a thing to offer as a replacement.
115 posted on 03/06/2003 2:12:25 PM PST by VadeRetro
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