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White House raises possibility it might not seek another UN vote on Iraq
AP / The Jerusalem Post ^ | 4 March 2003 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 03/04/2003 3:47:29 PM PST by anotherview

Mar. 4, 2003
White House raises possibility it might not seek another UN vote on Iraq
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON

With opposition hardening, the White House left open the possibility Tuesday that it would not seek a United Nations vote on its war-making resolution if the measure was headed for defeat.

"The vote is desirable. It is not necessary," presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer said.

The comments came as President George W. Bush and his advisers looked beyond the diplomatic showdown and made plans for a public relations buildup to potential war.

One option under serious consideration was Bush giving Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein a final ultimatum, perhaps with a short-term deadline, in a major address next week, two senior White House officials said.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, stressed that a variety of options are on the table and they all depend on the outcome of a UN Security Council debate on the US-backed war resolution.

The United States still doesn't have the nine votes needed to win approval of the resolution, according to supporters and opponents, and many undecided council members are looking for a compromise.

Even if he gets the required votes, Bush needs to avoid a veto by Russia, France or China who all favor continuing inspections at least into July.

Once the vote is resolved one way or another, Bush will intensify his case for war, officials said, barring unforeseen events such as Saddam suddenly disarming or going into exile.

In addition to a possible address, they have discussed a presidential news conference and a Cabinet meeting as ways for Bush to communicate his plans to the nation next week.

As those discussions were taking place behind the scenes, Fleischer told reporters that Turkey would lose a proposed $15 billion aid package unless it admits troops into the country for the Iraq conflict.

"The particular package that we've been talking to them about was predicated on assistance and cooperation in any plan for the use of force against Iraq," Fleischer said.

Until Tuesday, the spokesman had suggested part of the package would be available to Turkey regardless of whether 62,000 American troops are allowed in the country. White House officials said they were turning up pressure on Turkey in hopes that the parliament would grant the US request on a second vote.

Even so, officials said future aid for Turkey would not be ruled out, just the massive package under consideration now.

At the United Nations, Secretary-General Kofi Annan called Baghdad's missile destruction "a positive development," putting him at odds with Bush's assessment. Russia's Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, hardening Moscow's opposition to quick military action, indicated Russia may use its veto against the US-backed resolution.

Both developments further complicated Bush's efforts to win passage of the resolution, adding significance to talk of what the administration would do if UN opposition cements against the US position.

"The president has made clear, that ... whether the United Nations votes or does not vote, that we will disarm Saddam Hussein with a coalition of the willing," Fleischer said. "We are proceeding with all the plans for the vote."

"Now, if you are asking me if all of a sudden support around the world crumbles and there is absolutely no one for it, I can't predict with metaphysical certitude every eventuality," Fleischer said.

US Ambassador John Negroponte was asked whether the United States would withdraw the resolution if it didn't have the votes to pass it.

"We haven't crossed that bridge," he said. "We believe that support should be there. We are not facing that kind of situation but we will cross the bridge when we come to it."

Afterward, he and other White House officials said the remarks did not signal a lack of confidence in the resolution's prospects.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; france; gulfwarii; iraq; russia; securitycouncil; un; unitednations; unsecuritycouncil; weasels
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1 posted on 03/04/2003 3:47:30 PM PST by anotherview
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To: anotherview
As soon as the White House makes this assessment, then the war will begin.
2 posted on 03/04/2003 3:48:38 PM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: xzins
yeah. I was thinking next Thursday but now it's looking like may be much sooner.
3 posted on 03/04/2003 3:50:30 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: xzins
As soon as the White House makes this assessment, the Joint Chiefs will be given the order to proceed at will.
4 posted on 03/04/2003 3:50:33 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: anotherview
They don't need to waste any more time. The opportunity for the UN showing a smidgen of credibility by passing the second resolution should not be given a chance. They need to be put in the dustbin of history.
5 posted on 03/04/2003 3:52:22 PM PST by Brett66
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To: anotherview
This is really up to Britain. We weren't going to seek another vote.
6 posted on 03/04/2003 3:55:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: anotherview; CindyDawg; Petronski; Brett66
Do you think we'll give a warning to inspectors and others to leave?

That will, of course, tip our hand.

We also have a few more forces to move into place....but that can occur during the softening up air campaign. Without the northern front, that softening campaign has to be longer anyway.
7 posted on 03/04/2003 3:55:45 PM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: anotherview
Let's roll!

8 posted on 03/04/2003 3:56:11 PM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: anotherview
Once the vote is resolved one way or another, Bush will intensify his case for war, officials said, barring unforeseen events such as Saddam suddenly disarming or going into exile.

Or attacking.

9 posted on 03/04/2003 3:56:59 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: anotherview
Once the vote is resolved one way or another, Bush will intensify his case for war, officials said, barring unforeseen events such as Saddam suddenly disarming or going into exile.

Or Saddam decides he has nothing to lose and decides to unleash what he says he doesn't have.

10 posted on 03/04/2003 3:57:54 PM PST by steveegg (The Surgeon General has determined that siding with Al-Qaeda is hazardous to your continued rule.)
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To: xzins
We know where the investigators are working. We start in another area and they should catch on real fast, don't you think?
11 posted on 03/04/2003 3:58:06 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: CindyDawg
definitely much sooner. the kuwaiti action today in closing two oil facilities is one strong piece of evidence; now we wait to see kuwait declare martial law. immediately after which the ball will begin.

dep

12 posted on 03/04/2003 3:58:55 PM PST by dep
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To: Petronski
As George Will mentioned Sunday, the war has already started. We have expanded the no-fly zone attacks, we have soldiers on the ground in Iraq - the war is going on now.

I feel it might even be better to slide into the war as we are doing rather than the big splash. Just let the idiots stay busy with their anti-war rhetoric and demonstrations, let Russia, Germany and France continue their underground manipulating for power, let the U.N. stew around with after war plans - we are fighting the war.
13 posted on 03/04/2003 4:00:47 PM PST by ClancyJ
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To: anotherview
"Now, if you are asking me if all of a sudden support around the world crumbles and there is absolutely no one for it, I can't predict with metaphysical certitude every eventuality," Fleischer said.

NOT a good sign. Is our president going wobbley (shades of George HW Bush)?

14 posted on 03/04/2003 4:01:13 PM PST by ellery
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To: xzins
I don't think the inspectors will get an advance heads up--it's no good for operational security.

I would expect an extraction within H+12 or so.

I guess a cover-story explanation for extraction could be used, but I wouldn't chance it.

15 posted on 03/04/2003 4:01:24 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: xzins
That's what I was thinking - I've heard rumors it could be this Thursday.
16 posted on 03/04/2003 4:02:01 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: ClancyJ
Ever leave pasta boiling on the stove on high? It seems to simmer on and on and then almost without warning it boils over.

That's how this war looks to me. When the specialists on the ground have finish their intel and target assessment, boom.

17 posted on 03/04/2003 4:03:53 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: anotherview
This strikes me as a win-win situation for the United States, with the loser being either (1) Saddam or (2) Saddam and the UN. If the UN Security Counsel votes yes, we remove Saddam. That's a good thing. If the UN Security votes no, or if we withdraw the motion because of unreasonable opposition, then we still remove Saddam and the UN becomes completely irrelevant to the process. Also, we may save some aid money and other diplomatic concessions to some of the members of the UN Security Counsel. Arguably, that's an even better thing.
18 posted on 03/04/2003 4:08:10 PM PST by kesg
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To: xzins
Do you think we'll give a warning to inspectors and others to leave?

The alternative is to expose them to our attacks or danger from the Iraqis. The first threat is manageable, and the second isn't.

There is very little danger in tipping our hand to the Iraqis. We are going to crush them. The only slight danger is that they might launch weapons at Israel prior to our attack, but we've already put Patriots in Jordan and Israel to minimize that threat.

And they probably could still manage to fire off a few scuds even if they never saw our attack coming.

All in all, if you can get the inspectors out of Iraq in advance, you do it.

19 posted on 03/04/2003 4:08:41 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Petronski
I would expect an extraction within H+12 or so.

Even the shield malcontents figured out it was time to leave Dodge. The UN and Iraq must think we are fools and that as long as the inspectors are there we won't do anything. What they haven't figured out is that we are what they call "crazy fools" and are dangerous when riled and they are underestimating us.

20 posted on 03/04/2003 4:11:36 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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