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To: Iwo Jima
"If Lott were in charge, we would have nominated Bill Clinton to the post by now."

LOL!!

But—on a more serious note…You said: "I predict that Estrada will eventually get confirmed, but even if he does not (emphasis mine) the Dems will have paid such a price that it doesn't really matter in the broad scheme of things."

I won’t stand for "if he does not." And if history shows us anything, it’s that the American voter can’t remember the outrage committed by the Dems last week, forget the many months between now and the next election! They NEVER seem to "pay a price"---or the Senate would now have a Republican in Mary Landrieu’s seat, and the dinosaur’s in New Jersey, etc. (Yes, I know we won back the Senate, but by a whisker. Every last one of them running for office should’ve been turned out. The American voter (by and large) is apathetic.)
816 posted on 03/03/2003 4:21:23 PM PST by Cordova Belle
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To: Cordova Belle
Speaking of the New Jersey dinosaur, I call dibs on Frank Lautenberg as the first casualty of a true filibuster.
824 posted on 03/03/2003 4:29:45 PM PST by Iwo Jima (TLB stands for Testosterone Lessened Boy.)
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To: Cordova Belle
I fully understand what you are saying about not backing down. None other than Bill Clinton has much to teach us about the importance of not giving up.

The problem that FOX News, Rush, and countless others have to overcome is that they all accept what I call the "and then you quit" philosophy. Such as, if you finish third in the New Hampshire primaries, then you quit. Bill Clinton said "No way, I'm not quitting, I don't care if I came in #121 after the county dog catcher." Or the rule that if you get caught in seemy extra-marital relationships, then just like Gary Hart, you quit. But Bill Clinton said "I'm not quitting, I don't care how many adulteries, rapes, etc. I stand creditably accused of, I AM NOT QUITTING. Even after being impeached under circumstances when no one could be expected to do anything other than quit, BC made it clear that come what may, HE WOULD NEVER QUIT.

Rush and FOX seem to have assumed that, if you lose a cloture vote, well then of course, YOU QUIT. Therefore, if you call for a cloture vote that you are bound to lose, then you are CAVING IN. That's absurd. A failure to achieve cloture only means that you continue to fight. You continue to shellack the opposition in every way so that, even if you find yourself losing at some future point on the nomination, you so damage the opposition that they may will think that any more "victories" like this will cost them the "war."
837 posted on 03/03/2003 4:54:32 PM PST by Iwo Jima (Frist is one smart operator.)
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