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Snubbing Turkey--State Department missteps played a part in Saturday’s embarrassing vote.
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| 3-3-03
| Joel Mowbray
Posted on 03/03/2003 8:04:12 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Welsh Rabbit
No, they'll be broke even WORSE. And since they didn't play along, no aid, no loan guarantees. . . and if they REALLY piss us off. . . support for an Independent Kurdistan. . .
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posted on
03/03/2003 12:44:01 PM PST
by
Salgak
(don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
To: a_Turk
Too late. Once Turkey proved itself to be an unreliable ally, it doesn't matter whose fault the final screwup was. Things shouldn't have gotten that far.
The area has become an American vital interest and the power disparity is just too great. Sure we have our share of incompetent idiots - it is still foolish to just stand there when the blind giant is stomping around. Turkey had its chance at controlling northern Iraq and blew it.
American forces will move into northern Iraq from the south. Turkish forces in Iraq will then either make themselves useful on American terms without compensation or face the consequences. The goodwill necessary to minimize unfortunate incidents won't exist.
Yes it will be tragic, and should have been avoided. But it will happen on Turkey's doorstep and not ours.
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posted on
03/03/2003 12:49:29 PM PST
by
Thud
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To: a_Turk
I have been unable to keep up
with the confusing developments
in Turkey
but I noticed on another thread
reports that the US is planning
to provide Stinger missiles to the Kurds.
Is this really true??
Can you provide a link to this story?
If the story is true
then someone in the US has gone mad.
104
posted on
03/03/2003 12:54:44 PM PST
by
Allan
To: Allan
It leaked out of the Turkish general staff last week. It would be a bonanza if I could find decent documentation.
I have seen articles where Kurds asked for heavy weapons, and that US officials were contemplating the proper timing.
According to Turkish news reports, the US delegation would not only not agree to not distribute these, but would not agree to collect them after the war, nor agree to even providing Turkey with an accounting of what had and would be distributed.
That's enough to vote no, IMO.
105
posted on
03/03/2003 12:58:43 PM PST
by
a_Turk
To: Thud
Too late. Once Turkey the USA proved itself to be an unreliable ally, it doesn't matter whose fault the final screwup was. Things shouldn't have gotten that far.
106
posted on
03/03/2003 12:59:55 PM PST
by
a_Turk
To: a_Turk
According to Turkish news reports Do you have a link?
A Turkish paper is OK
in fact
I would prefer it.
107
posted on
03/03/2003 1:02:18 PM PST
by
Allan
To: Allan
Go to www.milliyet.com. The link will change to todays date. Then just go through older dates by changing the date in the link. Check through the editorials and headlines. Don't eat any popcorn. It's a barfer.
108
posted on
03/03/2003 1:06:02 PM PST
by
a_Turk
To: a_Turk
Well, you talk the talk, but can you walk the walk ???
109
posted on
03/03/2003 1:08:12 PM PST
by
Salgak
(don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
To: Salgak
I liked that movie..
110
posted on
03/03/2003 1:27:17 PM PST
by
a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
Could you see Turkey instead granting air access for airborne forces to fly and land in N. Iraq so that they don't have to go from Kuwait across Iraq to get to N. Iraq?
112
posted on
03/03/2003 1:36:28 PM PST
by
Ranger
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To: Ranger
Perhaps? Don't let the DoS know what you're thinking..
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posted on
03/03/2003 1:40:10 PM PST
by
a_Turk
To: seamole
>> Not too late
You're right. I'm still being over-emotional over all the "bomb the Turks" sh!t.
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posted on
03/03/2003 1:41:26 PM PST
by
a_Turk
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To: MizSterious
"I wonder how many Clinton holdovers still work there?"
There is a strong clique of Clintonistas at State and the CIA who do not want to see a successful regime change in Iraq. Part of this feeling stems from their own botched coup attempt against Hussein after the first Gulf War.
This same clique does not believe that democracy can work in Iraq. I have sensed a degree of passive resistance from State and the CIA ever since POTUS unvieled his Democratic vision for the Middle East.
I would love to see George Tenet's head on a pole after this is over (metaphorically speaking, that is).
117
posted on
03/03/2003 1:42:17 PM PST
by
ggekko
To: seamole
They could call for a new vote right now, but the bill is seen as "the worst kind of dishonor" throughout the land because of the constant "blackmail" label, etc.
There is a crack in the ruling party. A second vote with an order to vote along party lines could split the ruling party and we'd have internal turmoil. I don't think a re-vote is being considered. I could be wrong..
118
posted on
03/03/2003 1:50:58 PM PST
by
a_Turk
Comment #119 Removed by Moderator
To: seamole
Hmmm, so you think Rummy did it on purpose to cut thelegs from under Powell?
120
posted on
03/03/2003 1:56:48 PM PST
by
Destro
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