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Driver's license finger scan being considered
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Posted on 03/02/2003 6:52:16 PM PST by chance33_98



WKRN, Tennessee

Driver's license finger scan being considered

Public safety officials see a proposal requiring driver's license applicants to submit to a new kind of fingerprinting as a way to combat fraud, but civil libertarians have concerns.

The state Legislature is considering Senate Bill 423, under which a person's finger would be scanned. The scan will identify up to 40 unique points on the finger, said David Beatty, project director of the Department of Public Safety program.

Beatty called the it ``touch signature,'' but the American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma wonders who will have access to that information.

``It is a privacy issue, and we would have great concerns about what it would lead to,'' said Joann Bell, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma.

``There's a possibility under homeland security that the driver's license could become part of a national ID.''

Beatty disagreed, but said the driver's license has become accepted identification nationwide.

``The importance of the person holding the license and the person pictured on the license being the same is paramount. Society has dictated that,'' Beatty said.

The finger scan program would ensure the person who passes a driving test is the same person who goes to the tag agent to get a license, he said.

It also will ensure the person who goes to a tag agent to replace a lost driver's license is legitimate, Beatty said.

With the proposed new system, tag agents will be able to electronically check the license with the Public Safety Department to ensure the appropriate person receives the license.

Oklahoma issues four-year driver's licenses so it would take four years for all licenses in the state to be issued using a finger scan.

As of Dec. 31, 2.3 million people had driver's licenses and another 230,000 who don't drive had ID cards, Beatty said.

Senate Bill 423 is before the Senate and likely will be considered next week, said Sen. Robert M. Kerr, D-Altus, its author.

If the legislation becomes law, Oklahoma would join eight other states with a finger-imaging system: Colorado, Mississippi, Georgia, Hawaii, Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas and West Virginia.


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To: DBrow
If some bright criminal finds a way to fake your fingerprint, you cannot get another

This technology has nothing to do with stopping criminals.

If they wanted to end "identify theft" or other forms of fraud, those found guilty of such crimes by an impartial jury of their peers, would simply be put to death.

After the first few criminals are executed, you'd see a huge reduction in fraud crimes.

The real agenda of this technology is the establishment of a gov't control grid to keep the peasants in line.

21 posted on 03/02/2003 7:41:07 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I'd certainly think so.
I'm going to check into this, anyway.

CD

22 posted on 03/02/2003 7:41:23 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Could you please let me know if you learn anything that changes the status quo?
23 posted on 03/02/2003 7:42:45 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Mulder
Paul/Keyes in 2004.

That would be sweet.

24 posted on 03/02/2003 7:43:27 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear.)
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To: Black Agnes
This is how they'll get us to participate in being chipped.

If such tyranny ever comes to pass, there are more than a few patriots who have their own "implant" technogies ready to go.

These "implants" can be administered from several hundred yards away, and are very cheap.

25 posted on 03/02/2003 7:43:51 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Certainly.
I'm in the middle of posting a NC Freeper meeting announcement, but am planning to check the NCDMV site as soon as I get done.
26 posted on 03/02/2003 7:44:42 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: AdamSelene235
That would be sweet.

Can you imagine the weird alliances that the power elites would form to stop such a ticket from being elected?

27 posted on 03/02/2003 7:44:58 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Constitution Day
Thanks!
28 posted on 03/02/2003 7:45:17 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
They are right about Colorado.
29 posted on 03/02/2003 7:45:32 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear.)
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To: VaBthang4; Constitution Day; Howlin
The excitement surrounding Viisage comes from its biometric technology, but its major source of revenues is distinctly Old Economy. Almost 95% of the company’s revenues come from its driver license business. If you live in one of thirteen states (including Ohio, Maryland, North Carolina, Connecticut and Massachusetts) you are probably carrying a motor vehicle license made by Viisage.

Viisage’s driver license system is quite advanced. It is entirely digitally-based, and customized for each state. The machine utilizes “Eigen-face” technology patented by MIT. Viisage is the sole licensee of the technology, for which it pays an annual fee that’s smaller than my monthly dry cleaning bill. The machine even lets states fingerprint applicants. The actual machine is compact, easy-to-operate, and fast. Mr. Mazzu made sample drivers licenses for Dave and I, taking less than 2 minutes each (Dave can now legally drive in Argentina!). Each drivers license comes with a sophisticated bar code encrypted on the back of the card, using a very sophisticated and patented process.

Colatosti and Mazzu are both energized about the potential of Viisage’s biometrics technology, or feature recognition systems. Within biometrics, Viisage has focused on face-recognition, which leverages its core driver license business. Face recognition is more agreeable to the general public, because it doesn’t have the criminal-stigma of fingerprinting, the weirdness of sticking your hand into a reader or the spookiness of eyeball reading.

Viisage.com in the news

VA, if you think in anyway shape or form this is a good idea (fingerprint or face recognition) you need to step away from the pipe. Talk about big government and intrusion into a person's life!!

CD, looks like it's just face recognition at the moment, but I don't like that bar code on my DL. Hmmm, restrictions on cars, supposed safety measure, you don't think my favoritest politician in the whole wide world would be mixed up in this somehow do you?

30 posted on 03/02/2003 7:54:39 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Black Agnes
We have "smart badges" where I work. It is a simple matter to read and copy the secure code in the chip in the badge, then program a PROM to make a copy.

They work at 125 KHz but others work at 13 MHz. I make a coil of 30 gage wire about two inches in diameter, tune it to 125 KHz with an RC network, then use a digital scope to record the dips in amplitude when a badge is within pickup range. I can now copy that into a little gadget with a battery, oscillator, and PROM chip with a FET switch.

http://www.doxpara.com/read.php/security/rfid.html

The same applies to chipping people, and you can bet the undercover cops will get reprogrammable chips, else how could they work undercover? And if cops can get them, creeps can too (look how many people the FBI put on ice in Boston to protect Whitey Bolger).

But my original point is still valid- if my chip is compromised I can get another. If my nose pore pattern or fingerprint is hacked, I'm out of luck.
31 posted on 03/02/2003 7:55:49 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Constitution Day
When I heard "engineering" alarms went off!
32 posted on 03/02/2003 7:58:18 PM PST by Howlin (q)
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To: chance33_98
Mississippi just started its fingerprint driver's license but I don't think its required.
33 posted on 03/02/2003 7:59:39 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: billbears
CD, looks like it's just face recognition at the moment

Our driver's license?

34 posted on 03/02/2003 7:59:45 PM PST by Howlin (q)
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To: Mulder
"The real agenda of this technology is the establishment of a gov't control grid to keep the peasants in line."

Gotta agree with that.
35 posted on 03/02/2003 8:05:17 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Black Agnes
"I predict they will simply bend over..."

Is that really where they are going to implant the chip???
36 posted on 03/02/2003 8:07:01 PM PST by dalereed
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To: DBrow
So true. So true. I wonder however, about the ability to alter ones DNA or fingerprints. HIV alters DNA when it hides in your body. I think it just raises the bar for terrorists/criminals. PCR copies DNA like xeroxes, how long before someone/company comes up with a handy dandy $20 method to change the satellite DNA markers used for DNA ID anyways? It isn't like they have time to scan your whole genome and compare. AND, like in the OJ case (where I think the son helped him, remember the DNA they found in the blood on the gate/fence?) it is possible for children to have the same markers as the parent. Hmmmmmm.
37 posted on 03/02/2003 8:07:05 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: afuturegovernor
It's voluntary for the moment. (Until the company doing it thinks it can get enough support to push mandatory fingerprint ID through the corrupt legislature in MS and increase their bottom line.)
38 posted on 03/02/2003 8:08:21 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Mulder
You are an optimist. I commend you. There are many, sadly, even on here, that think this is a *grrrrrreeeeeeEEEAT* idea.
39 posted on 03/02/2003 8:09:33 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: dalereed
Probably.
40 posted on 03/02/2003 8:11:14 PM PST by Black Agnes
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