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To: LiberalBuster
Which, obviously, is true enough. But, hardly worth changing something that had been in existence for 150 years.

How about the 200 year tradition of prayer in school. Was that worth changing?

30 posted on 02/28/2003 4:12:32 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"How about the 200 year tradition of prayer in school. Was that worth changing?"



Thats the best point Ive heard so far. (if I may expand a bit)

The thing is that the public school systems had prayers going in the schools and it was commonplace for people to learn to read by reading the bible. The christian tradition of this nation goes back much farther than the current notion of removing all mention of God from the public discourse. It's ironic that the tolerance from the christian tradition is used to denegrate and undermine that tradition.

Im not old enough to have remembered the 'Under God' pledge reference. But as I look back upon the whole picture of history it seems to me that we have forgotten alot of what is important. Is religious tolerance important... YES it is and atheists have to be tolerant too. Thomas Jefferson was famous for going to church in spite of his anti-church positions, and for pronouncing himself a deist because he understood the important role that religion must play for this experimental form of self government to endure.

"The US Constitution is for a moral people and unfit for the governing of any other kind." -- John Adams

Without that religion in play we end up with exactly that which we have today. Nihilistic, Narcissistic, Neverending Violence worshipping and a growing population of anarchistic godless Communists who have not been steeped in the tradition of right and wrong as seen by Americans. Instead these young people were indoctrinated in an acid bath of idealistic world citizenry and unworkable self-destructive Gaia worshipping globalism.

IMO the 'Under God' phrase is seen as one of the underpinnings to the strength of our society. The underpinnings of our society are being incrementally eliminated, School Prayer, Display of the Flag, Abortion on Demand, Public Prayer in General, Forced Societal Destigmatization of destructive behaviors through Civil Rights legislations and 'hate crime' legislations.

"Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness." --George Washington

This trend is not an accident. We are literally destroying ourselves as we hyperextend our liberties into licensiousness. And my opinion is that it is a purposeful progression of ever increasing pressure being placed on the balance of our society. That balance between Liberty and Virtue is constantly being pressed as we increasingly redefine good as bad, and bad as good.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" --Isaiah 5:20-21

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." — Samuel Adams

You all talk about how the 'Under God' phrase was instituted during the 50s "Red Scare". I tell you that the red scare is not over yet, we overlook this fact at our own peril. The 'Under God' was legislated into the pledge as a message to future generations (THATS YOU AND ME NOW). Dont Forget God.
172 posted on 03/02/2003 3:59:18 AM PST by Samurai_Jack
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