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To: jwalsh07
You made a declarative statement, you were wrong. Admit it.
Time for playground games I guess. Not suprising. Look back to post 79, I already mentioned what I call the "date dodge". I knew someone would bring it up, as meaningless as it is. It shows the weakness of your position, that's all.

The same men affixed their signatures to the DOI. Every single one of them affirming that rights are granted by the creator.

Would you like to amend the DOI to read:

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their State with certain alienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, maybe.

Unlike the Constitution, the DOI is unamendable. Why? Because it was a statement that represented a moment in time. It was our reasons for rebelling.

Jefferson didn't only sign it, he wrote it. Jefferson also believed in Separation. They were two different documents for two different reasons and the framers chose to leave any reference to God out of the substantial portions of the document.

And if not, why not? For historical purposes won't get it. Historically prayer was said in public schools for the first 200 years.
So what? "Historically" the public schools were separated by race. "Historically" we had conscription. Mere "historical" tradition isnt enough to justify something that is wrong. The Constitution states that government should not involve itself in religious matters on a preferential basis, that constitutes "establishment".

-Eric

184 posted on 03/02/2003 12:56:59 PM PST by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
You're histircally clueless. Thomas Jefferson attended church at the Capitol building on a regualr basis.

Guys like you don't want government neutrality, you want speech you don't agree with banned from the public square.

Your idea of the "separation" of church and state is Stalinist, not Jeffersonian.

187 posted on 03/02/2003 3:19:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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