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To: #3Fan; null and void
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n&v>Further, there is NO Biblical authority for Decemebr 25 being His birthday.
#3F>Jesus was conceived on December 25 because the bible lays out that Mary went to Elizabeth on the day of the Immaculate Conception and Elizabeth was 6 months with John and John was conceived on June 25.
Jesus was born on Sept. 29. September is the birth month of kings. I'm not exactly sure how it goes but it has to do with the Course of Abaya(sp?) (I have no idea how to spell it, I've only heard it orally). In the priesthood, there were time periods called "courses", and Jesus was born during this certain course and at a certain time of the course, which would have been on Sept. 29.
I'm mentioning these because I'm sure there is someone here who knows what I'm talking about. If not, I guess I could spend the day researching this to back it up. :^)

39 posted on 03/01/2003 7:48 AM MST by #3Fan

I'm not sure about September 29.

I would be real sure of the Feast of Booths ; where the Jews enter their temporary dwellings as in the desert during the Exodus.

The Seven Festivals Of The Messiah


I agree with your timing from Luke.
I suggest that the L-rd was conceived on Hanukah , when the Light entered the world.

Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say,
`Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
'" [Psalm 118:26]


Barukh haba b'Shem Adonai
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord
Y'shua HaMashiach


chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>


58 posted on 03/01/2003 12:29:19 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
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To: XeniaSt
I'm more interested in the date (year) of the resurection...
59 posted on 03/01/2003 1:11:40 PM PST by null and void
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To: XeniaSt; richardtavor; RnMomof7; STD; Sabertooth; xJones
...count the number...

666

Revelation 13

16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Calculate/count, from where?

From the Crucifixion/Resurrection that's where.

Why Didn't the Red Ribbon on the Head of the Scapegoat Turn White in 30 C.E.?

http://www.outreachjudaism.com/Yomkippur.html

30 C.E.
30 + 666 = 696 C.E.

Abd al-Malik King of the Arabs

Abd al-Malik standardized, Arabic as the official language built the Dome of the Rock and standardized Islamic currency

dinar - An Islamic gold coin, first struck in Syria under Abd-al-Malik in AH 77 (AD 696/7), which remained the principal gold coin of the Muslim world.The term is occasionally also used for a silver coin.

dirham - The principal Islamic silver coin, first struck in AH 79 (AD 698/9).

The 'mint' of the beast

And, under his rule the Qu'ran was standardized.

Vowel points (marks) in the Qu'ran

...According to Arthur Jeffrey, "That the practice of pointing came generally accepted and consistently carried through the whole of the Codex is said to be due to activity of the famous official al-Hajjaj b. Yusif, who was perhaps the most remarkable figure in Islam during the Caliphate of 'Abd al-Malik.  When we come to examine the accounts of the activity of al-Hajjaj in this matter, however, we discover to our surprise that the evidence points strongly to the fact that his work was not confined to fixing more precisely the text of the Qur`an by a set of points showing how it was to be read, but he seems to have made an entirely new revision of the Qur`an, having copies of this new text sent to the great metropolitan centres, and ordering the destruction of earlier copies in existence there, much as Uthman had done earlier."  (The Quran as Scripture [New York: Books for Libraries, 1980], p.99)  

Another issue which the Muslims had to deal with was variant readings.  When the Quran was originally written, there were no vowel marks or diacritical points to differentiate the meanings of words.  To help illustrate the kind of problems this style of writing can create in a text, we will write a sentence without vowels:

            h  gv hm bd       

      This sentence could be read in several possible ways depending on the context.  For instance, it might mean "he gave him a bid" if he were a contractor, or "he gave him a bud" if he were in a florist's shop, or "he gave him a bed" if in a furniture store.  This textual style gave rise to thousands of variants between the codices which were available at that time.

http://www.faithdefenders.com/sermons/islam7.html

Vowel points can compleatly alter the meaning of not only Arabic, but Hebrew as well.

Abd al-Malik is the King James of the Qu'ran.


More on Islamic currency

http://www.islamicmint.com/islamicdinar/index.html

Introducing the Islamic Dinar and Dirham Abu Bakr ibn Abi Maryam reported that he heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say: "A time is certainly coming over mankind in which there will be nothing [left] which will be of use save a dinar and a dirham."
(The Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal)

1. History of the Dinar and Dirham
2. What Are the Islamic Dinar and Dirham
3. Uses of the Dinar and Dirham
4. The Zakat
5. The Future

From: History of the Dinar and Dirham

In the year 75 (695 CE) the Khalifah Abdalmalik ordered Al-Hajjaj to mint the first dirhams, thus he established officially the standard of Umar Ibn al-Khattab. In the next year he ordered the dirhams to be minted in all the regions of the Dar al-Islam. He ordered that the coins be stamped with the sentence: "Allah is Unique, Allah is Eternal". He ordered the removal of human figures and animals from the coins and that they be replaced with letters.

In the next year... 696... He ordered the coins be stamped with...

blasphemy...

Revelation 13

1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.


Strong's #6

Hebrew for #06  Alef-Beit-Dalet Abd

Pronunciation Guide 'abad {aw-bad'}

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
a) (Qal)
1) perish, die, be exterminated
2) perish, vanish (fig.)
3) be lost, strayed
b) (Piel)
1) to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up (as lost), exterminate
2) to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (fig.)
3) cause to stray, lose
c) (Hiphil)
1) to destroy, put to death
a) of divine judgment
2) object name of kings (fig.)

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 184AV - perish 98, destroy 62, lose 10, fail 2, surely 2, utterly 2,      broken 1, destruction 1, escape 1, flee 1, spendeth 1,      take 1, undone 1, void 1; 184


Strong's #11

Hebrew for 011   Alef-Beit-Dalet-Vav-Nun

Pronunciation Guide 'abaddown {ab-ad-done'}

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) place of destruction, destruction, ruin, Abaddon

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 6AV - destruction 6; 6

60 posted on 03/02/2003 11:15:36 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: XeniaSt
I'd have to get a few days off to see. I heard it layed out really well that December 25 and September 29 are the dates. It has to do with the course of Abaya (sp?). Maybe a project for me this summer when I get a few weeks off.
61 posted on 03/02/2003 1:49:44 PM PST by #3Fan
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