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To: Aquinasfan
So what? It's all matter in motion, right?

I'm giving you a universality. What are you getting at?

246 posted on 02/28/2003 12:51:32 PM PST by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Your universal assertion that nobody wants to be a victim is confounded by the special interests in the democrat party.:-}

However, it says nothing about why a man, or group of men, who see the prime directive as self aggrandisement and the perpetuation of their gene pool are wrong if they say the means to that end is murder and rape.

For sure there will be other men who say that it is absolutely wrong but if men and their ability to reason are the arbiters of what is right and wrong, how can you say that they are wrong? You like the Rangers and I like the Mets.

253 posted on 02/28/2003 1:04:39 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: laredo44
So what? It's all matter in motion, right?

I'm giving you a universality. What are you getting at?

Be consistent in your reductionism. Reduce everything to matter in motion. Why should I care about anyone's opinion if people are simply clouds of atoms, essentially no different from other clouds of atoms? Of course this isn't true in reality. But materialism cannot provide any basis for judging either one to be essentially different or better than the other.

In my experience I've found materialists to be selective reductionists. They easily convince themselves that things they don't like, like God or absolute truth are just figments of the human imagination, yet they fail to realize that their world view subverts all truth claims (including a statement like, "I see a tree over there"). If everything is matter in motion, then the human mind must be reduced to matter in motion, and the "thought" of a cloud of atoms cannot be regarded with any greater value than the "thought" of a cloud of hydrogen atoms.

Moreover, under a materialist worldview, the human mind must logically be reduced to a fallible machine (at most). In such a world there would exist no fixed ground from which to determine whether such a machine was malfunctioning. Materialism undercuts the possibility of all truth claims.

Yet we do not live in such a world. In reality, we can know truths with certainty, such as the principle of non-contradiction, that something cannot be something else in the same sense and at the same time. Therefore, the theory of materialism doesn't correspond to reality and is therefore false.

364 posted on 03/03/2003 8:21:28 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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