A New Move on Estrada ('Tain't over yet!)

National Review Online ^ | 2/28/2003 | Byron York

[TLBSHOW]

bttt

[cricket]

"Ships crossing, all that! Good to see you!"

. . .and a Thank You, for that. . .safe traveling :^)

[RandyRep]

Of course they would...but will they stand on principle about the issue? Probably not.

[TLBSHOW]

Terrorist ones like the friends Zogby and Grover have.

[Howlin]

An excellent point! You can read about it, but to see it makes your mind explode!

[Howlin]

Did you or did you not say Islam was a bloodly cult?

Knock it off. We all know what you're doing.

[Political Junkie Too]

Even Orrin Hatch started calling it "Groundhog Day."

-PJ

[TLBSHOW]

bttt

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

The quorum call is apparently used to get 51 senators to the floor. Apparently, we had 49 Pub senators there on Weds night, but only a few Democrats? It seems to me the onus is on the ones who want to close debate rather than on the ones who are filibustering. With a quorum, can't one of the Democrats ask for a cloture vote?

How can the Pubs keep the Dems on the floor talking while letting the Pubs rest, without quorum calls.

The Democrats don't want a successful cloture vote, and an unsuccessful vote just continues debate, which is what they want. So they will not call for one. The Republicans can "keep" them on the floor by standing firm. If all 51 Republicans stay firm, the Democrats cannot win. All the Democrats can do is drag this out and hope that a few Republicans decide it's not worth the fight. If the Democrats give up the floor during the debate, i.e. they don't Filibuster, they lose.

[deport]

If Miguel Estrada is defeated, there will be a revolt!

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LOL..... Led by TLBSHOW I assume......

I personally don't think that a large number of ppl are aware of what's going on at this time. Maybe with additional time and push from the Republicans they may become aware. I don't think local news is carrying that much of the nomination debate or information. Maybe I'm wrong and surely hope so. Just my sense at this time.

[Saundra Duffy]

Rally in support of Miguel Estrada in Bakersfield CA this Saturday 3/1 at 12 Noon, Liberty Bell (corner of Truxtun & Chester Avenues). FYI. Call 661-703-2915 or 661-589-4384 after 6 for more information. For victory & freedom!!!

[TLBSHOW]

Islam is a bloody cult. And We all know what you are doing....

[RandyRep]

That's actually pretty clear. 60 votes.

It's getting to that point, and how you get the Dems to spend 24/7 on the floor that I'm confused about.

In the end, if cloture is to be invoked, we need another 5 votes. There are enough states with Dem senators and significant Hispanic voters (CA, FL, NJ, NY, IL, LA, etc) that perhaps some could be convinced.

Perhaps the WH offer to respond to questions will do the trick.

[Saundra Duffy]

Rally in support of Miguel Estrada in Bakersfield this Saturday 3/1 at 12 Noon, Liberty Bell (corner of Truxtun & Chester Avenues). FYI. Call 661-703-2915 or 661-589-4384 after 6 for more information. For victory & freedom!!!

[Howlin]

Didn't we say that WAY before you heard him say that? I swear somebody on one of these threads said it a couple of days ago!

[TLBSHOW]

can you explain to the folks here about that republican that was defending this and could not even say his name right?

[Political Junkie Too]

The Democrats don't want a successful cloture vote, and an unsuccessful vote just continues debate, which is what they want. So they [Republicans] will not call for one.

But, isn't it also true that Republicans don't want to call for a cloture vote on a judicial nominee because of the precedent that would set? Isn't that one of the "traditions" in the Senate (respecting the president's right to nominate judges) that the Senate (Democrats) would be trashing by establishing the precedent that a president needs 60 Senate votes to appoint a nominee instead of 51, thereby effectively ceding the power to appoint judges to the Senate?

-PJ

[woodyinscc]

I assume from previous posts that you live in So. Calif.
Do you remember when Pete Wilson Shoved the big referendum win of Prop. 187 in the face of the Hispanics? They left us in droves in the 98 election!!
If the R's play their cards right and stick to their guns,
this will be a National 187 for our side!!!

[Political Junkie Too]

Who can remember? Every day, I get up and it seems just like yesterday.

-PJ

[RandyRep]

Thanks for the answer.

So the only way to get the nomination to the floor for a vote is to keep debate open (with Democrats speaking) until the Democrats ask for mercy, and enough agree to vote for cloture.

How do the Dems lose if they give up the floor? Does the nomination then go to the floor without a cloture vote?

The Pubs need a quorum to keep debate going - otherwise they adjourn, right? It seems to me that this works against us - the Pubs have to be there full strength, but the Dems don't.