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To: Nix 2
Actually, I can think of an absolute moral standard that could exist without God: Continuation of the species. However, that could open up a whole other can of worms (culling out of the weak, for example).

7 posted on 02/26/2003 7:50:42 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Haiku and "Unintended Consquences" just don't mix.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Actually, without G-d, there would be no procreation or continuation of the species, or the species at all, for that matter. Ain't you heard the dual-paternity doctrine? There can be no conception without the presence of the Spirit of G-d. It's called the Abba Tradition.
12 posted on 02/26/2003 8:26:01 AM PST by Nix 2 (In G-d's time, not mine.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
>>However, that could open up a whole other can of worms (culling out of the weak, for example). <<

No more ADA?
91 posted on 02/26/2003 10:38:28 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Actually, I can think of an absolute moral standard that could exist without God: Continuation of the species.

What you've described is a utilitarian system whereby anything is permitted, so long as it serves the purpose of "continuation of the species." However, even that apparently immutable standard is in fact highly subjective, as you'll quickly discover once you try to define "continuation."

Beyond that, the idea of "continuation of the species" pretty much does away with the idea of individual morality.

First, as members of "the species", we're rather like skin cells -- to live or die at the convenience of the group. But more to the point, the time scale for my choices extends generations into the future -- I can never even know the ultimate denoument of my choices. What seems like my right decision today may (1000 years from now) result in the extinction of my species.

398 posted on 03/04/2003 9:10:01 AM PST by r9etb
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