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To: OWK
Someone claiming to hand down moral directives from God is either: 1)deluded, 2)lying, or 3)actually conveying a divine communication.

Clearly, the burden of proof is on the claimant to establish himself as a case of (3) rather than (1) or (2). Meeting that burden requires a showing that the allegedly divine directives are consistent with some independent standard of morality.

Thus, the problem is neatly stood upon its head -- humans cannot be reliably guided by divine morality until they figure out the principles of morality for themselves.

193 posted on 02/26/2003 12:04:10 PM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Well stated.
199 posted on 02/26/2003 12:10:01 PM PST by OWK
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To: steve-b
...they figure out the principles of morality for themselves.

Which is impossible, per the ought-is perplex.

216 posted on 02/26/2003 12:27:07 PM PST by HumanaeVitae (You're still on ignore, it's just that one was easy.)
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To: steve-b
Thus, the problem is neatly stood upon its head -- humans cannot be reliably guided by divine morality until they figure out the principles of morality for themselves.

Great point.

300 posted on 02/26/2003 4:39:00 PM PST by NittanyLion
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