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To: Nix 2
Perhaps there really is a God with an absolute standard of morality. If so, He hasn't deigned to explain them to us in person. We are left with the various moral assertions that humans offer in God's name. These turn out to be every bit as variable, vague, and inconsistent as the moral assertions offered in the name of pragmatism, emotional resonance, political ideology, etc.

Thus, resort to divine moral sanction turns out to be a useless non-resolution of the underlying problem.

13 posted on 02/26/2003 8:26:24 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
So you are saying that the human brain hasn't been hardwired to KNOW the difference between good and evil. I believe we came with instructions, and those who learned the art of manipulation long ago and far away tried very hard to change that. It has been overwhelmingly successful, but it hasn't worked everywhere on everyone because there are those who DO hear G-d, whether they know it or not, and the final choice is always yours. You can follow the easy, lazy path, or you can do the right thing in the face of all the immorality that surrounds you. It isn't always easy, but it is always best...even at the risk of your own life. Ask some of our military.
19 posted on 02/26/2003 8:38:15 AM PST by Nix 2 (In G-d's time, not mine.)
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To: steve-b
from your link:

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Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."

"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"

"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm fucking serious!"

Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.
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spot-on.
thanks for the post
224 posted on 02/26/2003 12:40:27 PM PST by anka
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To: steve-b
Thank you. Well stated.
258 posted on 02/26/2003 1:59:51 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: steve-b
He hasn't deigned to explain them to us in person.

Nonsense. What do you call the Ten Commandments? What do you call the Sermon on the Mount? Just because you refuse to listen to His Word, does not mean he has not given it to us.

More importantly though, we all have a conscience. We all know right from wrong and we know it is not subjective. As the article says there really are no subjectivists. I would go even further. I would say that we all agree on what is right and what is wrong. It is just that some lie in order to try to justify their desires.

317 posted on 02/26/2003 7:02:00 PM PST by gore3000
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