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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I wonder why the Supreme Court or other courts have never reviewed the US Militia laws thoroughly before they render decisions on this garbage.

If they did, there would be NO arguement about this.

According to Constitutional and statute law , each American male citizen between 18-45 is a member of the Unorganized militia of the United States and the state they reside in( general militia). The men basically belong to two unorganized militias, one at state level and one federal level. A few exceptions are made for local officials and women.

Under the shared responsibility clause of the Constitution, when the President announces a call for volunteers to serve in the militia to confront a threat, the states must make the amount of men available to the federal government requested, and train them as military units. The Federal government equips them.

States can draft men to serve in the Militia. They even did so in the Civil war. This is in addition to the ability of the federal military services to draft men as well. In some states, state draft laws are still on the books to support their militias if needed.

The militia then becomes a part of the US militia which is seperate from the US militay forces. They have seperate disciplinary procedures, seperate pay procedures, and militia benefits are different too.

Before the advent of liberalism, a well regulated militia meant that it was recognized as a component of the State military forces under the command of the Governor, adhered to rules of military discipline, and wasnt an armed mob.

Militia officers were commissioned by the Governor, and enlisted were regulated by state laws.

The National Guard is the organized militia, not the unorganized militia. Completely seperate animals.

To see exactly what I am talking about, review your states laws about "State Defense Forces, State Guards, or State Militias." In most states, except the most liberal, these laws still exist to support the shared responsibility of states to supply troops to the US government in case of
war or insurrection.

Of course if you are a liberal socialist, you do everything you can to subvert national readiness and take away individual freedoms while you preach diversity.
6 posted on 02/25/2003 5:49:50 AM PST by judicial meanz ( socialism- its a mental disorder, not a political view.)
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To: judicial meanz
The Federal government equips them.

Yep, and I have been waiting for my government issued M1A to arrive. Congress has been behind the curve on this...

8 posted on 02/25/2003 6:36:30 AM PST by MileHi
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To: judicial meanz
"I wonder why the Supreme Court or other courts have never reviewed the US Militia laws thoroughly before they render decisions on this garbage. "

Heres one reason why all these draconian laws get passed, the Constitution and Bill of rights be damned.
It's an old article, but a good reminder

Gunning Against Guns Transparency at the United Nations.

Mr. Kopel is research director at the Independence Institute. August 1, 2001 8:30 a.m.

Editor's note: This is the second installment in an NRO series on the U.N Small Arms Conference. For Part I, see (Score One for Bush).

At the Small Arms Conference, one of the buzzwords of gun-prohibition advocates was the need for "transparency" in small arms. This was shorthand for saying that there should be no privacy regarding gun ownership. Every government ought to have a list of every gun owner and every gun in the country .

Registration has been used to facilitate gun confiscation in the United Kingdom, Australia, Jamaica, California, New York City, Nazi-occupied Europe, Soviet-occupied Europe, the Philippines, Bermuda, and many other places. Registration as an important preliminary step to total handgun prohibition.

Pete Shields, the founder of America's largest gun-prohibition movement (originally called the National Council to Control Handguns; later, Handgun Control, Inc.; currently, the Brady Campaign) explained his three-step program for handgun prohibition in the July 26, 1976 New Yorker:

"The first problem," Shields explained, "is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country." Solving this "problem" was high on the U.N. agenda, with many concerns expressed about "excessive" accumulations of small arms. "The second problem," said Shields, "is to get handguns registered." This was Secretary General Kofi Annan's prime hope for the conference, to create a worldwide system of gun registration. "Our ultimate goal," Shields continued, "is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition--except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal."

As the U.N. pushed for global gun registration, the Washington Post and many other newspapers fumed that there was nothing on the U.N. agenda which would infringe anyone's Second Amendment rights. To the Washington Post editorial page, this statement was plainly correct, since the Post believes that individual Americans have no Second Amendment rights.

Other newspapers, appeared to recognize an individual Second Amendment right, but insisted that nobody's hunting guns were in danger. If a U.N. treaty were to require governments to register the ownership of every book (or every political book) in a country, would these same newspapers insist that there was no danger to freedom of the press?

A United Nations press release touted mandatory gun registration for every (non-government) firearm anywhere in the world, but said that a U.N.-controlled registry was "premature" — not that a U.N. registry was a bad idea, just "premature" in light of current political realities.

The Canadian government, having sunk almost three-quarters of a billion (Canadian) dollars into domestic gun registry — at the expense of police on the streets and the health-care system — pushed hard for international registration mandates. Apparently the Canadian government's failed registration scheme would look less foolish if other governments followed suit.

"Transparency for thee, but not for me" could be the U.N. motto. While pushing to abolish privacy for gun owners, the U.N. barred the press from the debate and deliberation on the official program of action. Americans would be appalled if Congress threw the press out of the Capitol while debating a gun law. But that is precisely what the U.N. did.

"Transparency" for small arms also requires, in the U.N.'s view, abolition of Internet privacy. The U.N. complains that part of the small arms trade conducted by e-commerce "is frequently encoded or encrypted, thus placing an extra burden on the law enforcement institutions to detect it."

To the extent that gun "transparency" can actual help track down how criminals and terrorists get their guns, the world's responsible firearms manufacturers already provide it. Since the Gun Control Act of 1968, all guns manufactured in or imported into the United States must have serial numbers, and markings indicated the identity of the manufacturer and place of manufacture. In conjunction with the U.N. Conference, the world's firearms manufacturers, working through their World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities, signed an agreement with the Eminent Persons Group (a collection of 23 anti-gun politicians) to provide similar markings on all their firearms.

Such identification has never been objectionable to the manufacturers. At a previous international conference, the only reason that a binding agreement on markings was not achieved was that China objected.

At the U.N. Small Arms Conference, the U.S. again supported firearms identification — provided that the language clearly did not open the door for registration of gun owners. That's good enough for legitimate investigations — but not good enough for prohibition groups who wanted to use the trade in illicit arms as a pretext for destroying the privacy of every (non-government) gun owner in the world.

* All emphasis is mine.

We can scream and holler until the cows come home and it wouldn't do squat. We can go to court again an again an again an it'll do no good.
We the people of these united States must get rid of the UNITED NATIONS . We must get the UNITED NATIONS off our soil.

We continue to fight against the wrong enemy.

I'm not saying we shouldn't join groups like, GOA, etc., but they must turn their attention to the real enemy. If we don't we'll continue to win these little battles but, we'll lose the war.

27 posted on 02/25/2003 8:55:45 AM PST by Mikey
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To: judicial meanz
In order to take our guns, they have to come for them.

Until then, I'll keep giving to the NRA and keep practicing at the range so that when they do come for my guns, alot less of them will be going home.








39 posted on 02/25/2003 5:56:19 PM PST by Stopislamnow
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