Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?

AgapePress ^ | February 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

[Remedy]

More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement aimed at discrediting advocates of intelligent design and belittling school board resolutions that question the validity of Darwinism.

The National Center for Science Education has issued a statement that backs evolution instruction in public schools and pokes fun at those who favor teaching the controversy surrounding Darwinian evolution. According to the statement, "it is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible" for creation science to be introduced into public school science textbooks. [See Earlier Article]

Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.

"There is a tremendous grouping of individuals whose life and whose thought patterns are based on only an evolutionary point of view," Turpen says, "so to allow criticism of that would be to criticize who they are and what they're about. That's one of the issues."

Turpen says the evolution-only advocates also feel their base of financial rewards is being threatened.

"There's a financial issue here, too," he says. "When you have that kind of an establishment based on those kinds of thought patterns, to show that there may be some scientific evidence -- and there is -- that would refute that, undermines their ability to control the science education and the financial end of it."

Turpen says although evolutionists claim they support a diversity of viewpoints in the classroom, they are quick to stifle any criticism of Darwinism. In Ohio recently, the State Board of Education voted to allow criticism of Darwinism in its tenth-grade science classes.

[balrog666]

Where's the physical evidence of this flood?

Arguing with the snake handlers again?

[Junior]

You claimed that, because I accept evolution, I'm a Republican In Name Only. That was your point:

[252] Dude, you've got the makings of a classic RINO. Believe X, but say you're an A.

Or don't you remember saying this?

[laredo44]

20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Yet so many of us haven't clearly seen or understood. What can be the reason?

[Junior]

You know me. Sometimes I can't help myself. Now, if they started posting in funky colors I might find it easier ...

[safisoft]

Where's the physical evidence of this flood?

Are you blind? Right there: Genesis 7:19-20. Here is another:

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Mt 24:37-39)

Those are "red lettered" too - seems pretty authoritative: Jesus said it. He would know.

[BHud]

There are no Godphobes in foxholes or on deathbeds......

[Dataman]

I beg to differ :~)

A Christian can be a theistic evolutionist under the following circumstances:

He is a new convert and has never investigated the issue.

He is a public school child and does not have the capacity or resources to investigate the issue.

"Christian" is redefined as: Born to a family that does not go to temple or mosque.

[bmwcyle]

Where does the Bible tell a Christian that his book that is misleading you? You stand at a perspective and you are looking through man and not God. I can not answer your rhetorical Libertarian style question. I can only point you to the truth and tell you to move from the spot you stand on and look through God's word. Science truth changes as time goes on but God word always endures.

[Dataman]

I think that Danish statistitian who questioned Global Warming would beg to differ, as would Albert Wegner. Although I don't agree with the creationists, I also realize that science can be just as dogmatic as religion.

Thanks for that admission, dirtboy. I appreciate your honesty.

[mg39]

I agree, desperate people will grasp at any straw, even illusory straws. So which creation myth do you believe in? "Godphobe." Did you coin that? Anyway, I'm an agnostic. You god fearin' types are the godphobes (or should that be "godsphobes," since you may be a Hindu?).

[Junior]

So basically you're saying that, despite the physical evidence to the contrary, Genesis is literally true (and not an analogy or parable) and science is wrong. Interesting.

[BibChr]

First, I have to single this out:

That was your point

So you have me — BibChr, the actual author of the posting we're discussing, the one who had the idea, and expressed it in words — and you are flatly announcing to me that, no matter what I say, you have figured out what my point is, your mind is closed to any other explanation, your thinking is over, the discussion is over.

THIS is the sort of arrogance evolutionists show with total consistency, only in a microcosm. It doesn't matter what the very author of the process says about the process, you've figured it out, and that's that.

And BTW no, that was not my point. It's not even a good guess. You have to read, and think about, the WHOLE posting, all 3-4 sentences of it.

Dan

[Junior]

Okay, so where's the physical evidence?  What Would We Expect to Find if the World had Flooded?

[bmwcyle]

Science or the institution of science is wrong about the age of the Spinx but science will cling to it. Science is not perfect, God is.

[f.Christian]

That's what evolution is ---

the missing piece to the puzzle --- that fits -- ADJUSTS to any hole .. .. ..

no matter the size -- configuration ...

vomit // puke - - - DROOL an answer -- solution !

[Dataman]

THIS is the sort of arrogance evolutionists show with total consistency, only in a microcosm. It doesn't matter what the very author of the process says about the process, you've figured it out, and that's that.

You've nailed it pretty well. It reminds me of the American students who tested poorly when compared to other nations, but they felt good about it.

I have to grant an exception to dirtboy,

who has, on more than one occasion, exhibited manners and intellectual honesty.

[PatrickHenry]

The worse of history such as Hitler were evolutionist.

Sooner or later, the creationists always mention Hitler. Now, creation-boy, it's time you learned the truth:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.
-- Adolph Hitler, creationist

Source: Book 2, Chapter 10, Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.
Discussed at Adolf Hitler's Religion.

[Junior]

Science is not wrong on the age of the Sphinx. Scientists are in dispute about the age, but note -- it is scientists who are in dissent. So, no matter what the age of the Sphinx turns out to be, it will be scientists, and thus science, that arrive at that age. The Bible doesn't even mention the Sphinx...

[BHud]

I believe in no myth.
Nor do I beliee that your intention is to do anything other than bait. Honest debate is certainly not what you're looking for, so to entertain your hate-fileld diatribe with anything but disdain is a waste of mine and your time.
Godphobes, which are generally also moralphobes, invariably come around, as they mature, and grow up later in life.
Good luck to ya.

[mg39]

"That's what evolution is ---

the missing piece to the puzzle --- that fits -- ADJUSTS to any hole .. .. ..

no matter the size -- configuration ...

vomit // puke - - - DROOL an answer -- solution !"

LOL