Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?

AgapePress ^ | February 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

[Remedy]

More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement aimed at discrediting advocates of intelligent design and belittling school board resolutions that question the validity of Darwinism.

The National Center for Science Education has issued a statement that backs evolution instruction in public schools and pokes fun at those who favor teaching the controversy surrounding Darwinian evolution. According to the statement, "it is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible" for creation science to be introduced into public school science textbooks. [See Earlier Article]

Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.

"There is a tremendous grouping of individuals whose life and whose thought patterns are based on only an evolutionary point of view," Turpen says, "so to allow criticism of that would be to criticize who they are and what they're about. That's one of the issues."

Turpen says the evolution-only advocates also feel their base of financial rewards is being threatened.

"There's a financial issue here, too," he says. "When you have that kind of an establishment based on those kinds of thought patterns, to show that there may be some scientific evidence -- and there is -- that would refute that, undermines their ability to control the science education and the financial end of it."

Turpen says although evolutionists claim they support a diversity of viewpoints in the classroom, they are quick to stifle any criticism of Darwinism. In Ohio recently, the State Board of Education voted to allow criticism of Darwinism in its tenth-grade science classes.

[whattajoke]

However, evolutionists admit the problem and accept the concept of "kind" inasmuch as they admit the lack of transitional fossils. Transitions between what?

well, yes, we admit there aren't 10 billion "transitional fossils" to present to an ardent creationist to make him go, "oh, yes, I see." However, we would certainly make the case that there are plenty to convince a rational person of their existence. I admit there is a lack of money in my 401K right now. Does that mean there isn't any money in there at all? No...

[Junior]

However, evolutionists admit the problem and accept the concept of "kind" inasmuch as they admit the lack of transitional fossils. Transitions between what?

What lack of transitionals? No evolutionist claims a lack of transitionals. They may claim a dearth of such, but not a lack. There are lots of transitionals out there. Hell, VadeRetro posts images of transitionals just about every other thread. If you ain't seen them, then you are purposefully ignoring them.

[BibChr]

You see before you, unveiled, the New Way of handling lack of transitionals.

Denial!

When you're an evolutionist, denial is 'WAY more than just a river in Egypt!

Dan

[bmwcyle]

Our side is faith with the unknow and their side is denial of the unknow. At lease our side has a promise from God.

[Junior]

Dude, being an evolutionist does not preclude being a Christian, except for a few narrow-minded folks. Many of the evolutionists on these threads are Christians.

[laredo44]

Just out of curiosity, what would the curriculum in a Creation Science class consist of?

Reality based science.

What would the labs consist of?

[MoGalahad]

<>Yeah, they do.<>

I am not going to get into a two year olds discussion with you. That statement is an opinion that you hold. It is not a fact.

The 'no current body of valid scientific work' baloney is much like a self fulfilling prophecy, i.e., you and your ilk suppress any dissenting view of creation and appropriate all available resources to research which assumes 'naturalism' as the foundational truth upon which all investigations are based. Believe what you want but don't give me that BS about 'no current body of valid scientific work'.

[laredo44]

why you hold evolution to be true

Among other things, I just can't get past the fact that whales and dolphins are more like horses and kangaroos than they are sharks and carp.

[bmwcyle]

Evolution does not quite cover the truth. You may be Christian but the term evolution has been taken and is counter to the facts and too many lies are spread to the masses. The worse of history such as Hitler were evolutionist. There is the gap theory on the Christian but more data is needed.

[Dataman]

When you're an evolutionist, denial is 'WAY more than just a river in Egypt!

Thanks for the laugh. I get impatient with these evos who pretend to want to discuss the issue but come to the table with their minds chained and padlocked. Lawyers and Pharisees.

[BibChr]

More, I'd say their side features denial of the known (Romans 1:18-21), and ours features actual eyewitness testimony.

Dan

[BibChr]

Dude, being an evolutionist does not preclude being a Christian, except for a few narrow-minded folks

Like being pro-abortion, pro-homosexual-agenda, pro-big-taxes, pro-totalitarianism doesn't preclude being a conservative.

Dude, you've got the makings of a classic RINO. Believe X, but say you're an A.

Dan

[bmwcyle]

We must share with everyone.

Romans 1


God's Wrath Against Mankind

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

[Junior]

One need not accept creationism to qualify as a conservative. Conservatives believe in smaller government. Not all conservatives are scientifically-illiterate bohunks, but the Left likes to tar us with that brush owing mostly to the machinations of creationists.

[Junior]

Evolution is not counter to the facts -- it does a far better job of explaining observations and facts than creationism ever does. Plus, creationists consistently insist on things for which there is no evidence, such as a world-wide flood.

[dirtboy]

Are you really this off-base, or are you just trolling? Science is extremely tolerant of criticism -- IN THE RIGHT FORUM.

I think that Danish statistitian who questioned Global Warming would beg to differ, as would Albert Wegner. Although I don't agree with the creationists, I also realize that science can be just as dogmatic as religion.

[bmwcyle]

no evidence, such as a world-wide flood.

I see you are not the Christian you like to think. Pull out your Bible and read again.

[BibChr]

You completely, galactically, utterly missed a point at least as plain as the monitor in front of your face. You want to give a closer re-read, and a slower re-think?

Dan

[Junior]

I see you are not the Christian you like to think. Pull out your Bible and read again.

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered.  Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.  [Gen 7:19-20]

Where's the physical evidence of this flood?

[Jael]

I know Dr. Hovind personally, I know his labor for the Lord and I think what you have said is misrepresenting him.