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To: snerkel
Sorry if it came across that way.

Not at all.

I'm not sure what you're looking for in your question but I'll have to tell you up front that I am not a student of the Bible. However, if I were I would say that it depends on whether you take the writings of Matthew and Mark, Luke or John as your source. And I assume you mean speaking to the Apostles as a group.

Shall I go further?

57 posted on 02/24/2003 5:46:34 PM PST by evad (It IS a Crusade)
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To: evad; xzins; Revelation 911
I apologize. I will try to word my response so I don't offended anyone. Even though I am a Christian, I have a very bad habit of being brutally honest where Christian history is concerned and I always offend Christians who are not able to accept our history. I also have a bad habit of preaching (getting on my soapbox) when I have a very strong opinion about a subject. :)

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I have seen so many people (more Christians than not) make statements similar to yours "I believe it to be the basic Koran teaching that muslim Extremists and non extremists are seeking to foster One Islamic World". Christians have the same commission and some Christians have taken it to the extreme just like the Muslims.

I feel they have forgotten the the time when Words of Christ found in Matthew 28:19-20 were used in the same exact manner

"Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days (perpetually, uniformly, and on every occasion), to the [very] close and consummation of the age. Amen (so let it be)."

Christians will also loudly proclaim that "we were NEVER like the Muslims, but we were, and some still are today. They will claim "real Christians" were not involved in such things as: the Inquisitions, slavery, knowingly giving blankets to natives contaminated with smallpox, the time when it was claimed that women were witches and burned or drowned (almost everyone of those women were Christian)...the list goes on and on. But Christians were involved and history shows this.

Were all Christians involved in those things? No. Should all Christians take personal responsibility for those things? No. But all Christians and even non-Christians should be honest enough to admit that those things did occur "in the name of God", that the Christians of that day were responsible, and that the Bible was used during those times to justify their actions.

Now, I did not state those things to start an all out war. I stated those things to make a point (a point that will offend, so prepare yourselves), they are no different from us.

If you look at the timeline of Christianity, the things that I mentioned happened from 1100 A.D. to the present (probably some things before that too). We were just a little over 1000 years into our beliefs. If you look at the what is going on with the Muslims right now, they are a little over 1000 years into their beliefs. WOW! Does this justify their actions? NO. Does this justify the actions of Christians who had/have the same mindset? NO.

So, in my opinion, this is nothing more than history repeating itself. Two different religions (Chrisian/Muslim) with two different "weapons" (Bible/Quran), but the same mindset with the same goal.

End of sermon. Your attacks may now begin. LOL

:)
61 posted on 02/25/2003 2:23:42 AM PST by snerkel (WARNING: My posts have been know to offend.)
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