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As an American Indian, I hope they never get to examine Kennewick man. The reason is, I enjoy so much these threads (and there has been many) of all you guys wanting so much for him to be white. This tells me that in all these years since you came to America nothing has really changed. Its all about 'white' and manifest destiny. Well white does rule America but not completely yet, as this judgement proves. Keep working on it though, its part of my education. And by the way I just read another thread just a few days ago on F.R. that said there was NO evidence of anyone being in N. America earlier than 6000 years ago. A few days later I read where they found that it was 13000 years ago. These were both "scientific studies". Go figure.

"And by the way I just read another thread just a few days ago on F.R. that said there was NO evidence of anyone being in N. America earlier than 6000 years ago. A few days later I read where they found that it was 13000 years ago. These were both "scientific studies". Go figure."

I posted that and It seems you misunderstood. What I posted was that James Chatters (The Kennewick Man Archaeologist) stated in his book, Ancient Encounters, that there are no Native American/American Indian skeletons (as we know them today) ever found in the Americas that are older than 6,000 years.

Now, there are many skeletons older than 6,000 years old in the Americas, it's just that they belong to other (many) racial groups. If you've followed my posting you'll know that I frequently post a picture of Luzia (a negroid woman), and until recently the oldest skeleton ever found in the Americas. Don't direct any racial BS to me, I seek the truth only.

It looks like the new 'oldest skeleton' ever found in the Americas is Arlington Springs Woman (13,000+ years old), found on an island off the coast of California. There are so few bones, I expect we'll never know what racial group see belongs.

"As an American Indian, I hope they never get to examine Kennewick man."

Forget these guys, don't you want to know about the first peoples in the Americas? Kenniwick man can be caucasion and still be an ancestor of these tribes. Anthropologists have for some years been making a comparison between the North American stone age and the European stone age. Now genetics has shown that ancients on both continents have rare genes in common.

"Center for the Study of the First Americans-
A Solutrean origin for the Clovis culture seems a more parsimonious explanation of the evidence than an Asian ancestry. Certainly, if Solutrean industries were found in Siberia, no one would question their historical relationship with Clovis.

The ultimate test of this hypothesis may be found in genetic research on ancient human remains. Michael Brown and colleagues reported in 1998 that mitochrondrial-DNA haplogroup X (a genetic marker of population groups) is found in low frequencies in both European and Native American populations, but not among Asians. This indicated to them that some of the American founders may have come from Europe between 36,000 and 12,000 years ago."
http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/info.html?a=3

Oldest Human Remains in North America Found

In 1959, the partial skeletal remains of an ancient woman estimated to be 10,000 years old were unearthed in Arlington Springs on Santa Rosa Island, one of the eight Channel Islands off the southern California coast. They were discovered by Phil C. Orr, curator of anthropology and natural history at the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History. The remains of the so-called Arlington Springs woman were recently reanalyzed by the latest radiocarbon dating techniques and were found to be approximately 13,000 years old. The new date makes her remains older than any other known human skeleton found so far in North America.

The discovery challenges the popular belief that the first colonists to North America arrived at the end of the last ice age about 11,500 years ago by crossing a Bering land bridge that connected Siberia to Alaska and northwestern Canada. The earlier date and the location of the woman's remains on the island adds weight to an alternative theory that some early settlers may have constructed boats and migrated from Asia by sailing down the Pacific coast.(Just because they came from Asia does not mean that they were Orientals)

The Arlington Springs woman lived during the end of the Pleistocene era when large herds of bison and woolly mammoths roamed the grassy plains and other extinct native American animals such as camels, horses, and saber-toothed cats were still around.

The remains of Pleistocene-era animals have been discovered on Santa Rosa Island where the Arlington Springs woman was found. In 1994, the world's most complete skeleton of a pygmy mammoth, a dwarf species, was also excavated here.

I have been (and others have been, in this thread) careful to point out that the evidence suggests that the pre-Siberian migration to the Americas was most likely from Asia, as well, and possibly related to the Ainu. Yes, there are white racist nit-wits latching on to this issue and there are some innocent people who don't understand all of the nuances of racial identification, especially across 9,000 years. But in almost every case, someone here on Free Republic steps in to point out that they were probably more Ainu than "European" and that they Ainu aren't genetically Caucasian. On the other hand, it is entirely possible that at least some Europeans made it to the Americas (as is suggested by some genetic markers in some Native American populations).

You shouldn't be surprised, however, if your ancestors wiped out a previous people (or that they wiped out the mega-fauna in the Americas) any more than you sould be surprised that your crap stinks as much as everyone else's does (that has the same diet, anyway). Humans are humans and have been murdering each other for as long as they've existed.

I've been recommending it a lot in the past few days but I strongly recommend reading Lawrence Keeley's War Before Civilization. And realize that "the peaceful savage" is both a myth and quite patronizing, as well. As I explained to another Native American here on Free Republic, hiding the remains will stop scientific understanding and progress. To that, I'll add, the vacuum will be filled with myth. The best way to fight the white supremacist myths about Kennewick Man woudl be to show he wasn't European, I would think. To leave it undefined is to leave it open to conspiracy theories which will, most likely, be worse than any truth.

The reason is, I enjoy so much these threads (and there has been many) of all you guys wanting so much for him to be white. This tells me that in all these years since you came to America nothing has really changed. Its all about 'white' and manifest destiny.

Not quite. It's more that white folks now see the government in the hands of the Eastern elite taking their land just as they did to you and using "Native" American claims to get it done. They'll screw the tribes again later.

I don't really give a damn who was "here first" as resolving any specific claims is a subjective exercise for the lack of hard data. You would have to see the shamans they hire around here for $125/hour to come tell developers what's "sprirtual" and what isn't often by the process of divination. It has rendered the rule of law into a cruel joke.

What I object to with this Kenneweck fiasco is that the process of discovering the truth is impeded. I also think that if the public wants to know, they should pay whoever owns that land for the value of the discovery. As you inferred, it is a fluid and plastic picture that emerges from the data over time. No data, no picture. Doesn't that inerest all of us?