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To: uncbuck
"We the PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish JUSTICE..."

You blew it. The preamble simply lists that REASONS why the enumerated powers of government are granted. It does not permit additional government powers or infringement of citizen liberties to do more things that happen to arguable coincide with these goals.

If your interepretation were correct, they could have stopped at the preamble, stating that they were empowering the government to do anything it wants to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, etc.

And please also note that the proper meaning of "promote the general welfare" is "to do only those things that benefit society at large, as opposed to things that benefit only individuals or sub-groups (like aid to farmers.)" The emphasis is on "general."
53 posted on 02/24/2003 8:25:59 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
The Preamble to the constitution generalises the parameters of which the powers, more clearly spelled out in the artilcles are based. The question was are those Departments of the Government constitutional? Are they unconstitutional?

WE THE PEOPLE...

If the Education industry were dominated by conservative points of view would you be against it? Do you not believe that we have a right to an education? Most of the education your childern receive is set forth by STATE governments. Should the DOE exist? Not in the federal form, but neither should the welfare department, social security, unemployment insurance,etc. Without education, you would probably not have learned to read. Would not have an understanding of our constitution. May not even know it exists. Do/will you send your children to school? Or even Home school them. If so, What will you base that education on? BTW, I'm not in education, I use my degrees in the construction industry, the REAL world. I agree that the education that our children recieve is TOO liberal, but do WE THE PEOPLE not elect our school boards?


If the drug war was successful would you be against it? I agree that the DEA has too much power. Elected politicians gave that power to them. Confrontation of the government with regards to civil rights granted in the constitution is sorely lacking, mostly because the majority of THE PEOPLE want drugs and such off the streets. They look the other way.

Do you believe that an industry has the right to polute the waterways, ground, air? Do we not have a duty to keep our nation clean for our posterity? If this is unconstitutional, than the entire national park system is illegal. Companies can blow whatever they want into the air, water ground. Don't believe for a second that there are americans out there who wouldn't think once about doing this without laws to enforce clean air, water, grounds. The MAJORITY of the PEOPLE want to regulate the environment.

It was a MAJORITY of THE PEOPLE that wanted the constitution, not all of the people.

If the officer in question was negligent, then he should be punished appropriatly. BUT the constitution was written to protect his rights as well as yours.
75 posted on 02/24/2003 9:42:56 AM PST by uncbuck (Sen Lawyers, Guns and Money.)
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