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Top Bush aide savages 'selfish' Chirac
The Observer ^ | February 23, 2003 | David Rose

Posted on 02/22/2003 5:34:32 PM PST by MadIvan

White House adviser Richard Perle tells David Rose that France's 'cosy relationship' with Saddam means it will veto a second UN resolution

A leading adviser to President Bush last night launched a savage attack on President Chirac's diplomatic campaign to block war with Iraq, saying that it was merely the product of French commercial interests masquerading as a moral case for peace.

In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board and a central figure in the circle of hawks around Bush, went well beyond US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's recent criticism of 'old Europe', warning that war without the further approval of the UN Security Council was now imminent.

'I'm rather pessimistic that we will get French support for a second resolution authorising war,' Perle said. 'I think they will exercise their veto, and in other ways obstruct unified action by the Security Council: they're lobbying furiously now.'

Perle agreed that support for war in Britain and America would rise if there were a second resolution, and that the UN was 'a symbol of international legitimacy'. But in words that will serve only to deepen the transatlantic rift over Iraq, he added: 'These five countries, the permanent members of the Security Council, are not a judicial body. They're not expected to make moral or legal judgments, but to advance the respective interests of their countries.

'So if the French ambassador gets up and expresses the position of the government of France, what you are hearing is the moral authority of Jacques Chirac, whatever that may mean.

'What you're hearing is what the French President perceives to be in the interests of France. And the French President has found his own way of dealing with Saddam Hussein. It would be counter to French interests to destroy that cosy relationship, and replace it with a hostile one.

'So how much legitimacy attaches to a French veto? At some point, people are going to have to start asking themselves that question.'

In Perle's view, the French position against regime change in Iraq is fatally undermined by its multi-billion-dollar oil interests negotiated since the last Gulf war: 'There's certainly a large French commercial interest in Iraq, and there are contracts that a new government in Iraq may not choose to uphold, partly because they're so unfavourable to the people of Iraq. Saddam has been prepared to do deals to keep himself in power at the expense of the people.

'My understanding of the largest of these deals, which is the French Total-Fina-Elf contract to develop certain oil properties in Iraq, is that it is both very large and very unfavourable to the Iraqis.'

Perle added that he found the claim that America wished to topple Saddam for the sake of its own oil interests bizarre.

'The US interest is to buy oil cheaply on the world market. And the best way to increase the supply of Iraqi oil, and so cut prices, would have been to abandon sanctions in 1991 and urge the expansion of Iraqi exploration and development.

'When you consider that there is now a prospect that the oilfields may be destroyed by Saddam, if what we really wanted was more oil, not only should we not be supporting Saddam's removal, we should be working with him.'

Perle denied claims widely reported on both sides of the Atlantic that the Bush administration intends to rule Iraq directly through a military governor for an extended period, and that it envisages no role for the Iraqi opposition. He was scathing about the 'conventional wisdom' among the foreign policy and intelligence establishment, which holds that the Iraqi opposition groups are hopelessly divided and the country far too fractious for meaningful democracy.

'This is a trivial observation and a misleading one, both by CIA officials and MI6,' Perle said. 'They're simply wrong about this. They don't understand the opposition. They say they're divided. Are they more divided than the Labour Party? I rather doubt it. Are they more divided than the Tories? I certainly doubt that.'

His own long-term dealings with Ahmad Chalabi, leader of the Iraqi National Congress, and key figures in the main Kurdish groups, had convinced him and other leading US policymakers that 'Iraq is a very good candidate for democratic reform'.

'It won't be Westminster overnight, but the great democracies of the world didn't achieve the full, rich structure of democratic governance overnight. The Iraqis have a decent chance of succeeding under the leadership that has developed in the diaspora caused by Saddam's seizure of power.'

Reports claiming that a US military governor would keep most of Saddam's Baath Party officials in place and run the country on existing administrative structures were inaccurate and absurd, Perle said. 'The idea that the US would simply issue orders to the same mob that served under Saddam is ridiculous. This is not simply about switching one mafia family for another. American policy after Saddam's removal will be to assist the Iraqis to move as quickly as physically and practically possible into positions of power.'

As Assistant Defence Secretary under President Ronald Reagan, Perle was one of the key architects of the 1980s aggressive policy towards the Soviet Union, which Reagan dubbed an 'evil empire' and did much to undermine. He said he found it dismaying that many in Europe now found it 'politically incorrect' to describe regimes such as Iraq and North Korea as evil now:

'What we discovered from the victims of the Soviet empire, once they were free to speak, was that they agreed with us: evil was exactly the word they chose. I suspect that's the word that would be chosen by most of those forced to live in North Korea under Kim Jong Il, under the Iranian mullahs and Saddam Hussein.'


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chirac; france; iraq; richardperle; saddam; uk; us
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Outstanding from Perle; however, just a bit of additional information:

France’s £150m deals ‘linked to Iraq arms’

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/22/2003 5:34:32 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: UofORepublican; kayak; LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR; keats5; Don'tMessWithTexas; Dutchy; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/22/2003 5:34:45 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Thanks, Good Read 8)
3 posted on 02/22/2003 5:48:24 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just be because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: skinkinthegrass
France, aiding and abetting the enemy....
4 posted on 02/22/2003 5:49:41 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: MadIvan

Perle on point.

The Loserdopians/Liberals/Contrarians label him as a neocon. So be it, he is righter than rain on this one.

Am I supposed to believe the same CIA Middle East clique that botched 9/11?
5 posted on 02/22/2003 5:52:55 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Behold, a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.)
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To: MadIvan
Outstanding! Perle struck just the right tone, I think, especially for his European audience.

The administration is laying the groundwork for marginalizing the coming French veto of the second resolution.

Just like ole Dubya, the "moron" who can't tie his shoes. Well, before this is over, he's going to have the UN and the Security Council tied up in knots. He is the first president who is not shaking in his cowboy boots at the thought of---gasp!---a divided Security Council! The world had become conditioned to thinking lack of unanimity was fatal and a shocking defeat.

Ha. Misunderestimation Alert.
6 posted on 02/22/2003 5:59:43 PM PST by fightinJAG (FOR SALE: French Army rifle. Never been used. Dropped once.)
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To: MadIvan
As you say, perhaps not new, but very refreshing.

"What you are hearing is the moral authority of Jacques Chirac, whatever that may mean."
7 posted on 02/22/2003 6:01:40 PM PST by Cicero
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To: MadIvan; VaBthang4
Excellent by Perle.

He says that France is helping Cheat the Iraqi People.

FRANCE CHEATING THE IRAQI PEOPLE! Taking advantage of the Iraqis.

So clear.
8 posted on 02/22/2003 6:08:28 PM PST by xzins (Banning DrSteveJ was unwitting Doctrinal Censorship)
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To: MadIvan
Great material Ivan. I wish Perle could be plastered all over the alphabet networks and Fox and just keep putting out his message. btw. His message is scathing against France et al because IT'S TRUE. Now, I see no reason why he should leave out the certified french idiot that runs this Country and is rapidy destroying it and selling it out. The party of snots called the Liberal Party in Canada are a daily embarassment to us, especially us in the West. The drums of Western separation keep getting louder. I would do it tomorrow. We do NOT need Central Canada. We have enough resources and are free market thinkers and could easily make a go of it. Alberta has plenty of oil, B.C. has loads of fish, timber, agriculture, mining, WATER, and on and on. I have always enjoyed listening to Richard Perle. He's great. Whenever he speaks I am always amening!!
9 posted on 02/22/2003 6:24:41 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (all us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: MadIvan
Kudoes to Richard Perle! He is spot on, as usual.

All of this prognostication driven by the hateful agenda of the left is laughable at best.

Remember how well these seers foresaw how Afghanistan would play out? Why anyone would give them any credibility whatsoever is beyond me.

10 posted on 02/22/2003 6:28:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: MadIvan
France is extremely concerned about what they know to be true, specifically that "Product of France" labels will be found on a great deal of Iraqi contraband shortly after the dogs of war have returned to their leashes.

Les primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!

11 posted on 02/22/2003 6:46:38 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: VaBthang4
The Loserdopians/Liberals/Contrarians label him as a neocon.

The Arabs consider him to be Likud's key man in Washington.

12 posted on 02/22/2003 6:48:29 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: MadIvan
Great stuff from Perle. This message about French self-interest in the Iraqi situation needs to be dissemenated much more widely, particularly in Europe. It is far, far too late now to worry about ruffling some sensitive feathers among the Euro elites.

I think this is a message we are going to hear much more, from a wider variety of US players in the days to come. Perle was great in this interview and really made the case forcefully and directly.

In addition to frying the frelling French, he also weighed in on the battle between some of the neocons and those in the CIA over the role of the Iraqi opposition. I believe Rummy, Wolfie and the other right-thinkers in the highest levels think the CIA has totally screwed up by not believing in and supporting the Chalabi wing of the Iraqi opposition. The CIA is taking a beating even from Cheney and we may see some of this begin to play out in the near future.

Anyway, BRAVO PERLE!!
13 posted on 02/22/2003 7:04:12 PM PST by UncleSamUSA
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To: fightinJAG
fightinJAG, I think you have it. France watched the race card played so often that it figured the "veto card" would work the same way.

My definition for misunderestimate goes like this:
mis erroneous
un·der·es·ti·mate To make too low an estimate of the quantity, degree, or worth of.
mis·un·der·es·ti·mate To underestimate at your immortal peril!

14 posted on 02/22/2003 7:27:07 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: MadIvan
Perle is strategizing here diplomaticly. They are trying to keep France from using its veto. If France does veto, we'll expose the extent to which they enrich themselves from the misery of the Iraqis and how Saddam got all that money to buy missiles.

The attack helps shore up Blair as well. Not as though it's hard to stir British suspicion of France anyway.

These remarks are especially effective when Chirac just kissed up to Mugabe.

I thought this would be coming from the Bush bunch. I expect more and escalating comments like this one.
15 posted on 02/22/2003 7:43:21 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: MadIvan
"'What you're hearing is what the French President perceives to be in the interests of France. And the French President has found his own way of dealing with Saddam Hussein."

Yeah...I think it's called "pick up the soap".

16 posted on 02/22/2003 8:05:11 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Dark Wing
ping
17 posted on 02/22/2003 8:52:19 PM PST by Thud
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To: MadIvan
More saws now at work on that limb upon which Chirac has gotten himself.
18 posted on 02/22/2003 10:27:19 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; MadIvan
France is extremely concerned about what they know to be true, specifically that "Product of France" labels will be found on a great deal of Iraqi contraband shortly after the dogs of war have returned to their leashes.

IMHO, we do not need to go rummaging around Iraq to prove this; we have a reasonably good intelligence service, and they certainly have all the documentation anyone could need. There is a reason why this has not come out before now, and there is a reason why it is starting to come out now.

Because Bush & Blair on the one hand and Chirac and Schroder on the other have climbed so far out on their respective and opposite limbs, I see no possible way at this point to have a "win-win" outcome. Thus I also see no possible way that the French can cast their veto of the 2nd resolution and not be discredited and humiliated in public. Nor do I see any possible way that France, Germany, and Belgium can continue to be "allies" of the US & UK in any meaningful sense at all. The amazing thing will be if we even continue to have diplomatic relations with them after this is all over.

19 posted on 02/22/2003 10:34:25 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: MadIvan
It's French/Belgian/French, Total-Fina-Elf!

See why the Belgians put their 2 cents in with the French?
20 posted on 02/22/2003 10:58:50 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Texas is way bigger than france and belgium together!)
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