beavus, you state:
“Whatever your reason, you do admit that the life of any human fetus has more value to you than the life of any adult.” That is the furthest thing from the truth; they DO NOT have more value—only equal value.
You also say: “Many many more embryos and fetuses die from spontaneous abortions than die from elective abortions. What do you propose to do about that?” That is called NATURE beavus (as long as they are not caused by the abortifacient effects of many forms of chemical birth control—i.e. the pill) and we don’t have a problem with God’s design of nature. Haven’t you heard beavus, miscarriage and elective abortion are two completely different things; don’t try to cloud the issue.
See http://www.prolife-mcfl.org/refjrnl/abrotifacient.htm
about IMPORTANT FACTS ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL CHEMICALS – they can and do cause abortion of babies—your babies.
Lastly, you say: “Maybe you will tell me in your own words, if you have any.” Go to CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE they are all “my words,” beavus, I am the founder.
beavus, I have one question for you. On your post # 32 you said, “Elective abortion is appalling. Perhaps it should be illegal.” In context with everything else you have written, could you please clarify for me your position on Roe & Doe etc? I really do want to understand how you view this.
12 weeks from conception is the age range of most surgical abortions beavus. These babies feel pain more intensly than toddlers or adults. Are you fine with the fact that since 1973, 42 million reported surgical abortions have occured in the US alone (1 BILLION plus globally since 1973)
they DO NOT have more value—only equal value. My apologies. I deliberately assumed that relative value had to do with innocence. Others have used such reasoning to justify the death penalty, or killing in self defense. I assumed you were of the same belief.
So to you, all humans have equal value. I presume you oppose the death penalty. How do you then settle the predicament of 'for-the-life-of-the-mother' situations?
I readily admit that some people mean more to me than others. My kids mean more to me than other kids. My wife more than other women. My life more than other mens'. Again, my wife means more to me than our unborn child.
That is called NATURE beavus (as long as they are not caused by the abortifacient effects of many forms of chemical birth control—i.e. the pill) and we don’t have a problem with God’s design of nature. Haven’t you heard beavus, miscarriage and elective abortion are two completely different things; don’t try to cloud the issue.
So you are not concerned about people who die in plagues or natural disasters? You would not do anything to stop that? Heart attacks, cancer, infections, earthquakes--these are all natural. You oppose any effort to fight them?
I thought the issue was about the value of human life, not just about how people treat each other. Apparently a fetus only has value if another person is making efforts to harm it.
Lastly, you say: “Maybe you will tell me in your own words, if you have any.”
I have limited time to sift through a mountain of links to find the specific answers you have to my questions. Perhaps you'll convince me by your personal responses that it is worth the time.
In context with everything else you have written, could you please clarify for me your position on Roe & Doe
I do not follow the logic of the RvW argument. Not only do I not see how a right to privacy makes abortion a universal right, I do not see how the USC gaurantees a right to privacy (only limitations on search & siezure). Furthermore, I don't see how the USC leads to any trimester cut-offs. In short, I'm either very stupid, or RvW is very bad law.