[Illbay]

So you think it is "sad and sick" that man's purpose is to have joy?

You HAVE to be a Calvinist.

[fishtank]

No, I think it is sad and sick to rejoice in: sin, rebellion, death, the Curse, and the serpent's lies.

I don't know if I'm a Calvinist or not. I was raised RCC, then went to a Dallas Theological affiliated Bible church for several years, then moved and went to an E Free church, now I'm in a C&MA church.

As far as TULIP goes, I believe in TU_IP.

T stands for "total depravity", which is against LDS doctrine, unless you ask the current president (I forget his name), who would reply by saying: "I don't know that we teach that."