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To: homeagain balkansvet
homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"The ICTY, which I trust a lot more than I trust the Serb Party Version. You guys are like Clinton: you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and befoul the air with so many lies that it is impossible to determine what really went on. This is why I rely on the ICTY, whose job it was to sort lies from truth."

Oh sure the evil Serb subhumans lie (in ya' Fascist Hanjzar brain) ... SS JIAHD ... Have you read the article about Sarajevo massacre ... read now a statement from a man of whose bravery you can only dream J(IHAD)AG:

"RUSES THAT PROMPT ATTACKS AS OLD A TRICK AS WAR ITSELF

Last August, American pilots became the desperate Bosnian government's surrogate air force. What triggered the NATO bombing campaign against the Bosnian Serbs was a U.S. Army officer's bogus report that a Serb mortar attack had killed 38 people. The objective of the air campaign was to bomb the combatants to Dayton, where Richard Holbrooke would try to do the improbable: make peace with those not ready for peace.

Recently, another American, Robert McNamara, made wise from the pain of a warthat often bears his name, was searching for the truth in the graveyards of a terrible American mistake: Vietnam.

McNamara asked Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. Giap said the American-reported Vietnamese torpedo boat attack which led to the U.S. bombing of his country never happened, confirming what a Medal of Honor winner, retired Adm. Jim Stockdale - who was flying above the nonevent - said long ago.

Giap insisted LBJ and his brass hats made up the incident to suck the U.S. into the war - and it worked. Within hours, the bombs started falling.

The rest is history: Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution; by 1968, one- half million Americans were in Vietnam; and by 1973, almost 400,000 Purple Hearts had been awarded.

What a shame it took McNamara 30 years to dig up the truth. Had he only demanded absolute proof at the time, had Congress only not blindly accepted LBJ's staged account, had what lawyers call 'due diligence' only been applied byCongress, perhaps a great tragedy would have been avoided.

Tonkin Gulf-type ruses are as old as war, and too often the follow-on jingoistic juggernaut is impossible to stop.

The chant 'Remember the Maine' triggered our war with Spain, even though there was no proof Spain had sunk our battleship (ITAL) Maine in Havana harbor. Many historians say Cuban guerrillas did it so we would come to their aid, and, just by the way, scarf up a few of Spain's crown jewels as war trophies.

Have the American people been tricked again? CIA spooks and several NATO officers plus a squad of U.N. ammo experts say so. All report that the mortar round that kicked off the NATO bombing was fired not by the Serbs, but by Bosnian Muslims.

British and French ammunition experts arrived at Sarajevo's Trznica market 40 minutes after the attack to do a shell report, a technique used by grunts almostsince the first mortar round slid down a tube.

A good shell report or crater analysis will tell the size of the round and the exact degree from which the shell came. We're not talking rocket science stuff here,but plain old infantryman- putting-a-compass-in-the-still-hot-crater stuff.

The experts agreed the crater was made by a 120mm mortar shell fired from a bearing of 170 degrees. This meant the shell came from the same Bosnian government positions which had been involved in other attacks, such as a rocket that hit Sarajevo's television station in June, causing 35 Bosnian Muslim casualties.

Returning to U.N. headquarters, the 'shell rep' team walked into a Tonkin Gulf-like ambush when a senior American officer - who hadn't even set a boot down near the market - overruled their scene-of-the-crime findings.

The brass hat ordered that the report say the mortar shell was fired by the Serbs. It was the old military senior to subordinate drill: 'You're wrong. I'm right. You're out of here.' Those who have worn a soldier suit with a boss who's into cover-up or deceptions know the exercise well.

As with Spain and Vietnam, just hours after the officer submitted his 'official report,' the bombs fell.

There was no shouting 'Remember the Maine' or 'Remember the Maddox' (the U.S.destroyer that was the Tonkin Gulf ploy) this time. Bosnian Muslim Prime Minister Haris Silajdzic did all the protesting: 'I want air raids, air raids immediately to punish those who are killing innocent people.'

Air raids he got. And now, as with Cuba and Vietnam, we're about to send in another generation of America 'Rough Riders' to follow-up on the raids.

Unless, this time, Congress practices due diligence."

The Sun-Sentinel, 23. November 1995

David H. Hackworth, a retired U.S. Army colonel whose military and journalism careers spanned nearly a dozen wars and conflicts, is AMERICA'S MOST DECORATED LIVING VETERAN.

Dream of is bravery my little J(IHAD)AG.

Karadjordje

436 posted on 02/27/2003 11:15:46 AM PST by Karadjordje (Silajdzic:"I want air raids, air raids immediately to punish those who are killing innocent people!")
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To: Karadjordje
BOY I hate being right all the time!




NOTE FOLLOWING:

In changing her plea, Plavsic conceded she was responsible for the crimes listed in the indictment, including "forced transfer or deportation, unlawful detention and killing, cruel and inhumane treatment and inhumane conditions in detention facilities, destruction of cultural and sacred objects, plunder, wanton destruction, forced labour and use of human shields."




CNN: 11 years for Bosnia's 'Iron Lady'

Thursday, February 27, 2003 Posted: 11:22 AM EST (1622 GMT)

Prosecutors had wanted Plavsic jailed for up to 25 years.

THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- The woman once dubbed Bosnia's "Iron Lady" has been sentenced to 11 years after pleading guilty to war crimes at the U.N. tribunal at the Hague.

Biljana Plavsic, 72 -- the highest ranking Bosnian Serb leader to be brought before the U.N. war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia -- had pleaded guilty to the persecution of non-Serbs during the brutal purge of Muslims and other non-Serbs during the bloody 1992-1995 war.

Judge Richard May said the offences were "of the utmost gravity" and that nothing could disguise the horror of the crimes or their effects on the victims. "Undue lenience would be misplaced," he said.

On the other hand there were "significant mitigating cirumstances." Plavsic had expressed remorse and given herself up voluntarily and urged other fugitives to surrender and face justice. She had promoted reconciliation after the war and had helped shorten the work of the tribunal.

The court gave "significant weight" to the guilty plea in setting the sentence, Judge May said. It also took into account her age, he said, first on health grounds and then as "she may have little worthwhile life left."

Prosecutors had demanded between 15 and 25 years' jail. The defense had asked for 8 years, saying this was her life expectancy.

Judith Armatta, an expert on war crimes law at the Coalition for International Justice, said she was surprised at the brevity of Plavsic's sentence. But she said the decision was difficult because of the many mitigating factors.

"There should be more consistency in sentencing, but the rules are still being developed," she told The Associated Press. "This panel wanted to give some credence to her conduct, especially after the war."

Plavsic, who is the only woman among more than 100 men indicted for war crimes during the Bosnia war, said beforehand she awaited sentence "with complete calmness."

Speaking in Belgrade before returning to The Hague to hear her fate, she said: "This is nothing compared to what misery I have seen in my life. This is the end of a road which I started a long time ago."

Albright: Policies 'repugnant'

Plavsic was a wartime leader of the Bosnian Serbs and a close associate of Radovan Karadzic, the fugitive most wanted by the U.N. war crimes tribunal.

She initially pleaded innocent to all charges, but changed her mind last October and pleaded guilty to one count of persecution, a crime against humanity.

Prosecutors dropped seven other charges, including genocide.

"She is the principal figure to date to be sentenced by the tribunal, and when you add the confession of guilt it makes for a significant milestone in the work of the tribunal," Human Rights Watch spokesman Richard Dicker told Reuters.

In changing her plea, Plavsic conceded she was responsible for the crimes listed in the indictment, including "forced transfer or deportation, unlawful detention and killing, cruel and inhumane treatment and inhumane conditions in detention facilities, destruction of cultural and sacred objects, plunder, wanton destruction, forced labour and use of human shields."

Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright appeared at Plavsic's trial as a witness in December, saying she found the Bosnian's policies of Serb superiority "repugnant."

But she changed her mind about Plavsic after their first one-on-one meeting in 1997.

Plavsic has been ordered to testify at the Hague trial of ex-ally Milomir Stakic, who is accused of ethnic cleansing in the Bosnian war.

A date has not yet been announced for her appearance in court as a witness.

The decision heightened speculation she could also be called to testify against former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, who is also on trial at the Hague charged with genocide and crimes against humanity in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovonia's 'Iron Lady' awaits fate.
437 posted on 02/27/2003 12:26:16 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet (nighty night, billje!)
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