Posted on 02/21/2003 8:23:13 AM PST by Destro
Unidentified? Have you heard for example about Nasir Oric? I have heard that he and his Mudscha gang had killed over 1,000 Serbian civilians in and around Srebrenica in 1992. So tell me how you know exactly that all these corpses are poor Bosnian Muslims and not poor Bosnian Serbs?
You are telling us that you had been in Bosnia ... Ok I have talked for example to a German KFOR soldier who was until 2002 in the Serbian province Kosovo and Metohia and he told me some interesting things ... that you wouldn't like to hear.
Karadjordje
Keep on posting Destro!
Karadjordje
"Jugoslawien, Föderative Republik (Serbien und Montenegro)
[...] Die Folgen waren hohe Inflationsraten, hohe Arbeitslosenraten sowie eine tief greifende Rezession. Das Bruttoinlandsprodukt (BIP) ging rapide zurück; viele Betriebe des produzierenden Gewerbes mussten schließen. Zudem mussten 850 000 Flüchtlinge aus Bosnien-Herzegowina und Kroatien aufgenommen werden. [...]"
Source: http://encarta.msn.de/find/concise.asp?mod=1&ti=761579562&page=4 (<- click)
WHAT? In Yugoslavia are living with lasting effect 850,000 (eighthundretfiftythousand) cleansed Serbian children, (old) women, (old) men and other ethnic groups like gypsies, muslims, croatians and so on ...
That must be a big shock for you (no one can share your hate against the Serbs)
That are only the cleansed Serbian civilians from Bosnia and Croatia!
And the 300,000 cleansed Gypsies, Croats and Serbs from the Serbian Province Kosovo and Metohia?
In Serbia and Montenegro are living more than 1,000,000 refugees from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosmet - ONE MILLION!
Serbia and Montengro is the biggest refugee camp in Europe.
Karadjordje
LAST POST was for homeagain balkansvet, and not for you - one day I will be able to use this forum coorrect ... ;)
Karadjordje
THE WAR IN KOSOVO IS NOT OVER
The war in Kosovo is not over. Since June 18th the KLA and their Albanian supporters have terrorizing the Kosovar Rom in an ethnic cleansing operation that has destroyed more than 20,000 Rom homes.
In many villages and towns, all Roma homes have been destroyed. Families whose Roma ancestors arrived here as early as 1320, or Hashkalija whose oral traditions recount an even older history, have not only been made homeless, but over 150,000 have had to flee to other countries.
In order to justify these attacks, the KLA and their supports have labeled "all" Rom and Hashkalija as having collaborated with the Serbs. Yet the evidence on the ground does not support this allegation. Although KFOR and the UN police have received many requests to detain Serbs suspected of atrocities during the war, no Roma or Hashkalija has been mentioned in reports.
The ethnic Albanians dislike of Rom/Hashkalija goes back many years before the war. When the Albanians first started to demonstrate back in 1969 against Serb rule in Kosovo, the Rom/Hashkalija refused to join this demonstration. While the Albanians wanted independence, the Rom/Hashkalija were still too far down the economic scale to think of that luxury. All they wanted were jobs and education. When they finally achieved those two things under Tito, they were so grateful they thought they were being patriotic Yugoslavians by not taking to the street. The Albanians have resented the Roma/Hashkalija ever since.
Although over 70% of Roma/Hashkalija had high educational degrees and most of them held good jobs during the years preceding the war, the Albanians today try to drag up the old stereotypes: lazy, dirty, worthless, homeless.
Today about 40,000 Roma/Hashkalija are homeless, but only because they’re home has been burned since the arrival of KFOR. The typical operation for cleansing a neighborhood of Roma has been for a couple of local KLA soldiers to accompany several Albanians to a Roma home and then threaten the occupants with death if they were still living there the next day. Usually the Roma occupants didn’t wait, but left immediately, many wearing only their pajamas. Their homes were then burned. If the home was in a good area, the rubble was soon bulldozed away and a new home built on the site for a local high-ranking Albanian official.
Ironically, Roma who refused to give in to these threats and who did not leave their homes usually were not attacked, and their home was not burned----until now.
Now, today, with the disbanding of the KLA, a new wave of attacks is taking place and Roma homes not destroyed in the first wave are being burned.
The attacks are against all Roma and Hashkalija. No one is spared. Not the retired, not the invalids, not the blind who of course could not be labeled collaborators.
Although over 150,000 Roma and Hashkalija have fled Kosovo, their ancestral homeland for the past seven hundred years, there are still 40,000 trying desperately to stay. But despite the UN’s declaration of preparing a multi-ethnic society and the claim of NATO and KFOR to protect everyone, the results only point to a policy of genocide---- genocide of the Roma and Hashkaija today in Kosovo.
Roma today in Kosovo can not venture outside their own village without being kidnapped or killed. Roma today in Kosovo are always turned down by Albanian hospitals. Roma today in Kosovo can not attend Albanian schools. Roma today in Kosovo have lost their jobs.
But perhaps worst of all, Rom today in Kosovo are being discriminated against by the major aid agencies that are mainly run by local Albanians. Since the war, over 90% of all Rom/Hashkalija communities have been refused aid by agencies such as Mother Teresa, and ironically by Islamic Relief, although all Roma and Hashkalija remaining in Kosovo today are Muslim. Even an international aid agency with a renowned reputation such as Oxfam has not escaped this discrimination being practiced by its own local Albanians in Pristine.
But perhaps the worst offender of all is UNHCR. Their policy towards the Roma they should be looking after can best be described by an incident that happened a few weeks ago when UNHCR was asked how they were preparing one of their displaced persons camps for the winter. At a meeting attended by KFOR and Oxfam, the UNHCR director of the Rom camp in question said: "We have no plans for them this winter. We just hope they will disappear."
And disappearing they were until Macedonia closed their borders to Roma and Hashkalija seeking to survive the draconian measures of UNHCR in Kosovo.
At the main UNHCR displaced person’s camp in Kosovo, just outside Pristine, there have been four recorded deaths in the past few weeks only because the UN police and the camp management refused to take sick Roma children to hospital at night. In one incident, at 1:30 in the morning, a UN policemen refused to take a pregnant woman to hospital although her water had already broke and she was having contractions every two minutes. He told the aid agency worker who was on night duty that; "the gypsies have a tractor in camp. They can take her on the tractor."
When local Albanians see the discrimination perpetrated by international aid agencies and the UN organizations, why should the Roma be respected those who won the war.
The war in Kosovo is supposedly over. But this winter more Roma and Hashkalija may die than all the Serbs and Albanians during the war.
That is the situation today in Kosovo.
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Nazi history repeats itself
Karadjordje
Not nearly as many as Serb genocide enthusiasts.
And yes where is that photography from the air? Why were the satellite photos of the alleged mass graves of Muslims kept secret?
>> They're public and in the public domain; they were provided to the UN and used as the basis for the decision to open NATO strikes against the Serb Nazis. You can find them on any news site. They were used as evidence both to the UN and in the Krstic trial. (Oh, yes, that's right. I must have forged them. I forgot.)
"His name: Kasim Mustafic, a soldier of the ABiH who was among the thousand in the warehouse. And yes, he was wounded, but not enough to kill him."
Oh, a soldier of ABiH, and what were his injuries - please describe.
Uh, okay, he was, uh, shot? And, uh, got shrapnel from the grenades thrown at him? Look, apologists for Serb genocide, and other providers of political head to the likes of Karadzic, won't be convinced anyway. If what I've told you won't convince you, nothing will.
How do you know he wasn't injured (if indeed he was) by fighting his way out of Srebrenica? What were several thousands of ABiH soldiers doing in a UN safe haven anyways?.
Uh, the town was, uh, er, UNDER SIEGE. They, uh, weren't allowed to leave. It was made a "safe area" after the soldiers were inside the city. The soldiers were DISARMED (mostly, not completely) and testosterone-free Dutch "piecekeepers" (i.e., they kept their pieces in their holsters rather than actually use them) were set to guard them from the very extermination that happened to them.
Further, if he was there when people were packed densely and shot (a very inefficent way of shooting people, as the bodies of others before them would block the bullets).
Is THAT your complaint? That they didn't kill them efficiently enough? What do you want, the Serb Army to build death camps and use Zyklon B? Killing them in place was more efficient than their original plan, which was to take them out twelve at a time and shoot them in a field. The SOBs got lazy. Evil people are known for that. They're also known for defending each other in the face of stone cold facts.
then his clothing should contain DNA evidence of those around him when he was killed - after all you said he laid 9 hours beneath a bunch of killed men - the guy should have been soaked with blood. Why wasn't his clothes kept as evidence? How did he manage, being injured (so you say), and likely soaked with blood to escape notice of Serb soldiers as he left.
Uh, they didn't locate him for several months after the massacre. The DNA evidence found at the site and on the bodies of the men who were killed there was sufficient.
Look, if you substituted the word "Jew" for the word "Muslim" and you were making this argument in Germany, they'd have you in a cell with a bunch of other skinheads who think the same way you do.
I'd like to see how Kasim Mustafic's testimony would hold up at the Hague kangaroo court. Even with the deck stacked against him there, Milosevic manages to find large discrepancies in these witnesses' testimonies, and witnesses for the prosecution often end up aiding the defense. Like the recent witness, Vasiljkovic, who implicated a Muslim in the Sarajevo shooting blamed for kicking off the war.
Uh, it did. That is why Radovan Krstic is in the pokey for the rest of his life.
As for your "recent witness," that is immaterial to whether 8000 men were murdered at Sreb. Don't change the subject. Oh, I forgot. That's what you guys do when you're losing.
Blood guilt drips from the flag of Serbia for its war of genocide and pointless racism--pointless because it was all about keeping Milosevic and his wife and his thug buddies in power. The Serbs who fought in the war got taken for a ride. And deep in your heart you agree with me. Which is why you argue so poorly. Your argument is undercut by the knowledge that you know I'm right.
Liek I said you are an al-Qaeda-jihadist apologists and a useful idiot to the jihad. You thing the videos are a lie? Here is some more videos TV will never air:
From the [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/20/02 ]: CNN wont show Qaida promotional video from Bosnia showing a severed human head rolling through grass
[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/20/02 ]
CNN plans to air the tapes throughout the week. But not all of the footage will make it onto TV. Robertson said he doubts CNN will show what appears to be a promotional video out of Bosnia showing a severed human head rolling through grass.
The Serbs were fighting the same al-Qaeda evil in Bosnia YOU are proud to have defended and preserved.
homeagain balkansvet said: "Hmmn. A film "too bloody to air." How conveeeeeeeenient."
Likw I said you are an al-Qaeda-jihadist apologists and a useful idiot to the jihad. You think the videos are a lie? Here is some more videos TV will never air:
From the [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/20/02 ]: CNN wont show Qaida promotional video from Bosnia showing a severed human head rolling through grass
[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/20/02 ]
CNN plans to air the tapes throughout the week. But not all of the footage will make it onto TV. Robertson said he doubts CNN will show what appears to be a promotional video out of Bosnia showing a severed human head rolling through grass.
The Serbs were fighting the same al-Qaeda evil in Bosnia YOU and Clinton are proud to have defended and preserved.
homeagain balkansvet said: "Hmmn. A film "too bloody to air." How conveeeeeeeenient."
Like I said you are an al-Qaeda-jihadist apologists and a useful idiot to the jihad. You think the videos are a lie? Here is some more videos TV will never air:
From the [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/20/02 ]: CNN wont show Qaida promotional video from Bosnia showing a severed human head rolling through grass
[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/20/02 ]
CNN plans to air the tapes throughout the week. But not all of the footage will make it onto TV. Robertson said he doubts CNN will show what appears to be a promotional video out of Bosnia showing a severed human head rolling through grass.
The Serbs were fighting the same al-Qaeda evil in Bosnia YOU and Clinton are proud to have defended and preserved.
And you call others nazis. Fine sense of humor you have. Why not just follow your instincts and join the original He-Man Serb Hater’s Club?
As you weren’t in Kosovo, I’ll excuse your “genocide” raving as the result of ignorance, rather than inherent mental defect. The fact is that Despite Tales, the War in Kosovo Was Savage, but Wasn't Genocide.
It’s funny (pathetic funny, not ha-ha funny) that a supposed nazi-hater like you supports advancing their agenda, just as you support the same people who re-formed an SS division a decade ago.
And – surprise!! – meddling idiots like you didn’t prevent al-Qaeda from getting a foothold in the Balkans; instead you handed it to them. You’ve done a great job of letting thousand-year-old churches get destroyed, though. Good work, jihad-boy.
It sucks to lose, don't it?
I don't hate Serbs, I just hate what some of them did and what a few of them became.
Gael, if you want to know how al-Qaeda found it easy to deal with the west before 9/11--behold the immoral example of "homeagain balkansvet" the reason the jihad went unstopped until that day.
He inspires me to post more and to hunt them down inside our borders one by one and remove them from teh body politic.
I'll be glad to stand before my God and be judged for what I, and we, did in Bosnia to save the helpless from genocide.
"Blessed be the peacekeepers, for they shall be reviled by all."
You are here mentioning Auschwitz? Let's hear the surviviors of Auschwitz direct and not you, a propagandist, who abuses foreign suffer to create hatred against the serbs: Holocaust survivors of Auschwitz wrote a letter of protest to the German liars Fischer and Scharping to STOP comparing Auschwitz to anything reffering to the Kosovo and Bosnia-Crisises - they say that is a shameless ABUSE of this term (because of what the Germans did to Serbs in WW2!)
Here the original letter in German:
Auschwitz-Überlebende verurteilen Äußerungen der Bundesregierung zu Parallelen Auschwitz-KosovoDie Auschwitz-Überlebenden Esther Bejarano und Kurt Goldstein und der WN-BdA-Bundessprecher Peter Gingold, der auch Mitglied des Auschwitz-Komitees ist, haben sich gemeinsam mit weiteren jüdischen Überlebenden und Hinterbliebenen des Holocaust gegen Stimmen gewandt, zugunsten des Auftrages ,,Nie wieder Auschwitz" dürfe auf das Postulat ,,Nie wieder Krieg" verzichtet werden. Die Unterzeichner, die zahlreiche Familienmitglieder in Auschwitz verloren, wiesen diesbezügliche Äußerungen von Außenminister Joseph Fischer und Verteidigungsminister Rudolf Scharping zurück. Sie schrieben folgenden Brief an die Minister: Sehr geehrter Herr Außenminister! Der Verteidigungsminister hatte bereits vor der völkerrechtswidrigen Aggression der NATO gegen Jugoslawien, an der die Bundeswehr in verfassungswidriger Weise teilnimmt, bei einem Bundeswehrbesuch in Auschwitz gesagt: Um ein neues Auschwitz zu verhindern, "ist die Bundeswehr in Bosnien", und daß sie darum "wohl auch in das Kosovo gehen" wird. In Erklärungsnot geraten, berief sich auch der Außenminister auf die neue Art der Auschwitzlüge, um den verhängnisvollen Verstoß gegen die gerade auf Grund der Lehren von faschistischem Krieg und Holocaust geschaffene UNO-Charta zu begründen. Wir Überlebenden von Auschwitz und anderen Massenvernichtungslagem verurteilen den Mißbrauch, den Sie und andere Politiker mit den Toten von Auschwitz, mit dem von Hitlerfaschisten im Namen der deutschen Herrenmenschen vorbereiteten und begangenen Völkermord an Juden, Sinti und Roma und Slawen betreiben. Was Sie tun, ist eine aus Argumentationsnot für Ihre verhängnisvolle Politik geborene Verharmlosung des in der bisherigen Menschheitsgeschichte einmaligen Verbrechens. Diese Ihre Vorgehensweise soll offenbar einen schwerwiegenden und nicht entschuldbaren Verstoß gegen die Charta der Vereinten Nationen rechtfertigen. Die gegen Deutschland und Japan siegreichen Völker haben sich diese Charta 1945 gegeben, um "künftige Geschlechter vor der Geißel des Krieges zu bewahren, die zweimal zu unseren Lebzeiten unsagbares Leid über die Menschheit gebracht hat," -- das bekanntlich von deutschem Boden ausging. Sie beschlossen, die "Kräfte zu vereinen, um den Weltfrieden und die internationale Sicherheit zu wahren." Weltfrieden und internationale Sicherheit werden jetzt gefährdet, indem gegen ein Gründungsmitglied der UNO Krieg geführt wird, Krieg von deutschem Boden aus, Krieg gegen ein Land, das größte Opfer im Kampf gegen Hitler erbrachte und Unschätzbares zur Befreiung Europas vom Faschismus leistete. Sich als Begründung für einen solchen Krieg auf Auschwitz zu berufen, ist infam. Das Vorgehen der jugoslawischen Führung gegen albanische Minderheiten verstößt gegen die Menschenrechte. Wir verurteilen es. Wir verurteilen es wie wir das Vorgehen der türkischen Regierung gegen die Kurden verurteilen und das Vorgehen der israelischen Führung gegen die Palästinenser verurteilt haben. Stets haben wir gefordert -- und wir tun es auch jetzt --, daß dagegen mit den Mitteln vorgegangen wird, die der UNO zu Gebote stehen. Wer die antifaschistische, den Menschenrechten verpflichtete Rolle der UNO nicht nutzt, sondern die UNO ausschaltet und schwächt, der hat jedes Recht verloren, sich auf antifaschistische Postulate wie ,,Nie wieder Auschwitz" zu beziehen, zumal er damit zugleich das Recht zum Krieg begründet. Die Folgen eines solchen Handelns werden ein Wiedererwachen der Kräfte sein, die 1945 entscheidend geschlagen zu sein schienen. Sehr geehrte Herren Minister! Wir fragen Sie angesichts Ihrer Verlautbarungen und politischen Praxis: Soll vergessen sein, daß in diesem Jahrhundert zweimal über Serbien von deutschem Boden aus Vernichtung und Verwüstung hinweggingen? Soll vergessen sein das Massaker an einer Million Serben, begangen von deutschen Nazis im Zweiten Weltkrieg und ihren in- und ausländischen willigen Vollstreckern? Nach den Juden hatten die Slawen in Serbien -- gemessen an ihrer Gesamtbevölkerung -- die meisten Opfer zu beklagen. Soll vergessen sein, daß die Zerschlagung Serbiens von 1914 bis 1918 jenem Heeresgruppenbefehlshaber und Totenkopfhusaren August von Mackensen übertragen war, der 1915 und dann immer wieder das "rücksichtslose Vorgehen" gegen die serbische Bevölkerung befahl und der dann Hitler bis zuletzt als Propagandist half -- bis zum Aufruf zum Opfertod der Jugendlichen als Volkssturm -- und nach dem die Bundeswehr noch immer eine Kaserne in Hildesheim benennt? Soll vergessen sein, daß nicht nur kaiserliches Heer, Reichswehr und Wehrmacht erprobte Serbenschlächter in ihren Reihen hatten, sondern auch die Bundeswehr? Wir verweisen auf Wehrmachtoberst Karl-Wilhelm Thilo, der in der Bundeswehr Generalmajor und Kommandeur der 1. Gebirgsdivision -- jener Division, die nun wieder auf dem Balkan die deutschen Fahne vertritt -- sowie stellvertretender Heeresinspekteur wurde. Er unterzeichnete Massenmordbefehle gegen Jugoslawen, und er schrieb mit an Büchern, die in der Bundeswehr kursierten, um den Völkermord zu preisen, so H. Lanz' (Hg.) "Gebirgsjäger - Die 1. Gebirgsjäger-Division 1935/1945" Soll vergessen sein, daß der Krieg der Bundeswehr gegen Serbien eindeutig gegen das Völkerrecht verstößt, nicht nur gegen die UNO- Charta, sondern auch den NATO-Vertrag, die Schlußakte von Helsinki, gegen das Grundgesetz und den Zwei-Plus-Vier-Vertrag? Deutschland hat sich immer wieder zur Einhaltung der UN-Charta verpflichtet und sie nun mit dem Angriff auf Jugoslawien mit Füßen getreten. Die Bundeswehr verstieß gegen die Befehle aus dem politischen Raum. "Darüber hinaus hat die Bundesregierung das Verbot der Führung eines Angriffskrieges... bekräftigt." (Aus dem Zwei-Plus-Vier-Vertrag vom 12. September 1990. Zitiert nach "Weißbuch 1994" der Bundeswehr.) Soll vergessen sein, daß Jugoslawien mit dem Krieg zur Unterzeichnung eines Vertrages gezwungen werden soll, der nur mit dem Münchner Diktat von 1938 verglichen werden kann, mit dem die CSR zerstört wurde, wie heute Jugoslawien zerstört werden soll? ,,Ein Vertrag ist nichtig, wenn sein Abschluß durch Androhung oder Anwendung von Gewalt unter Verletzung der in der Charta der Vereinten Nationen niedergelegten Grundsätze des Völkerrechts herbeigeführt wurde." So heißt es im Wiener Übereinkommen über das Recht der Verträge, Artikel 52. Wir fordern entschieden: Schluß mit dem Krieg gegen Jugoslawien und als Sofortmaßnahme: Einstellung der Bombardements. Verhandeln statt schießen. Wir fordern die Wiederherstellung der UNO-Charta und Stärkung der UNO. Dies als Beitrag zur Verwirklichung und Verteidigung der antifaschistischen Errungenschaften der Völker. Hochachtungsvoll Esther Bejarano, Hamburg Rückfragen und Möglichkeit der Unterzeichnung bei: |
Source: http://mitglied.lycos.de/moln/euc/ausch1.html (<- click)
And when you keep on writing such comparisons I will report abuse in the name of the survivors of Auschwitz!
Karadjordje
Oh, I forgot. Elie Wiesel is a Muslim Al Qaida agent too.
By the way, I'm not so stupid not to recognize the name Karadjorge. Serb monarchists are not noted for their intellectual rigor, so this is the last you'll hear from me on this subject.
select "German to English" translation and type in the web adress of the letter
Karadjordje
(Balkans shoulder-launched) MISSILE CELL 'LOST' (as they approached Britain)
SECURITY services are desperately trying to trace a gang of terrorists armed with shoulder-launched missiles they had tracked across Europe - but lost as they approached Britain....Intelligence experts managed to listen into communications between an al-Qaeda activist in the Balkans and a unit based in London.
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