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Serbian Orthodox suffer since the United Nations took control of Kosovo
Evangelical Times ^ | 02/21/03 | Evangelical Times, UK

Posted on 02/21/2003 8:23:13 AM PST by Destro

Serbian Orthodox suffer

At least 110 Serb Christian sites (churches, monasteries, graveyards etc.) have been damaged or destroyed in Kosovo since the United Nations took control in June 1999.

Most recently, a church building in the village of Ljubovo was completely destroyed by an explosion in the early hours of 17 November last.

A second explosion damaged another church in the town of Djurakovac. The bombings came on the eve of a visit to Kosovo by UN General Secretary Kofi Annan.

Church leaders and Orthodox worshippers also face violence and hostility from ethnic Albanians, especially where UN checkpoints in the vicinity of churches have been withdrawn in recent months.

Ethnic Albanian Muslim extremists regard churches as symbols of Serbian domination and see them as legitimate targets.


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To: Voronin
Jeez you boys react to the truth like a vampire does to holy water.

even with his racist remarks about the three finger salute being Nazi.

A little search of the text above will reveal I've made no such comparison. I've never even mentioned the three finger salute.

281 posted on 02/25/2003 1:00:02 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ((Providing contadiction to crazed conspiritorialists since 1995))
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To: homeagain balkansvet
This is not rocket science. Once you capture prisoners YOU KEEP THEM ALIVE. Basic rule of civilized warfare.

You also don't engage in guerilla warfare and attack civilians or non-military policemen. Another basic rule of civilized warfare that the Kosovars violated.

We closed our eyes to Serb violations of the rules of warfare for three years, until we couldn't ignore it any more after we saw prisoners massacred in such large numbers we could pick them up on photography. We saw what was going on, and the decision was made at the top: This s--- stops NOW. Of course, we were really motivated by anti-Serb bigotry. Just like you suspected all along. Really.

Please indicate where I said we were motivated by anti-Serb bigotry. I really did not follow the Balkans closely prior to Kosovo, but from what I have seen it looks like there was plenty of wrongdoing on all sides, including as the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Krajina (something that Nato aided). So the Serbs were both aggressors and victims here.

But from my extensive research on Kosovo, I see a situation where the Clinton State Department and the pro-Clinton media was greatly exaggerating what was going on in Kosovo. I saw the media lie about what Milosevic was willing to accept in Kosovo - the NY Times, for example, claimed that Milosevic would not accept ANY peacekeepers, when he simply said he would not accept Nato peacekeepers but would accept UN ones. I saw the Clinton Administration start hostilities even though their own intel said that removing observers and starting attacks would greatly increase the problems on the ground (which they did). And I saw the Clinton Admin declare victory after two months of bombing the Serbs, when the G-8 agreement brokered by Russia was little different from what Milosevic was willing to accept all along. And I saw reports from the Serb opposition saying that the Kosovo intervention set back their attempts to unseat Milosevic. And I saw hundreds of thousands of Serbs cleansed from Kosovo.

So you can say Kosovo was a positive all you want. From what I have seen, the opposite is true.

BTW, than you for conceding that the massacre occurred.

Actually, I did no such thing, I was simply illustrating the absurdity of your position. Whether a hundred civilians are machine gunned in many small groups ore one large group, you still have the same number of dead bodies and atrocities.

282 posted on 02/25/2003 1:04:57 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
uh, we're talking at cross purposes. I've hardly discussed Kosovo at all. I'm referring to Bosnia and the Sreb massacre in Bosnia in almost all my posts.
283 posted on 02/25/2003 1:12:54 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ((Providing contadiction to crazed conspiritorialists since 1995))
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To: joan
You don't buy it? What would you buy?

Fathers asked to rape their boys? Rapes of 5 year old girls? Groups of armed men raping one woman all day?

What would you buy?

Would you buy tortured prisoners asking for a bullet in their head?

No you wont buy anything. And now you are shedding tears on 'damaged church.' Learn some humanity or similar times may come hunting for you as well.

Be a human first.
284 posted on 02/25/2003 1:16:54 PM PST by Fairminded (What would you buy?)
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To: homeagain balkansvet
uh, we're talking at cross purposes. I've hardly discussed Kosovo at all. I'm referring to Bosnia and the Sreb massacre in Bosnia in almost all my posts.

You said this in post #14:

Sending us into Bosnia and Kosovo were the only, THE ONLY, things that the sink emperor did right in eight years.

I really don't know enough about Bosnia to add to the debate here. But I strongly disagree that our adventures in Kosovo have been a good thing. Since you claimed otherwise, that is why I am debating the point. You should be able to back up your assertion in an informed manner if you are going to offer one.

285 posted on 02/25/2003 1:17:06 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: homeagain balkansvet
... and I should add that the anti-Serb conspiracy remark was aimed at certain others among our discussion, er, group here.
286 posted on 02/25/2003 1:19:17 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ((Providing contadiction to crazed conspiritorialists since 1995))
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To: homeagain balkansvet
All those Muslims who blew their own brains out in Kravica? All those other Muslims who so mischeviously buried them in the road?

You are assuming they are Muslims. Kravica, and the roads connecting to it, was an area where the Muslims based in Srebrenica massacred Serbs and set up ambushes. (Karadjordje's Post #261 mentions this too. ) On Orthodox Christmas, January 7, 1993, the Muslims ATTACKED KRAVICA and massacred Serb civilians (28 are listed by full name and year of birth). Also, the road to Kravica is listed where ambused were set up in 1992: in three ambushes 10 people total were killed. In one ambush December 24, 1992, 14 people were killed (listed by full name and year of birth). The following report was written over a year before the fall of Srebrenica.

DESIGNATION OF CRIME: Wilful killing of civilians

TIME AND PLACE: 24 December 1992, Glogova, Municipality of Bratunac.

BRIEF DESCRIPTION: In this Moslem village, the municipal administrative centre, traversed by the road linking the Serb village of Kravica with Bratunac, some dozen ambushes were organized in 1992, the aim of which was to attack the Serbs from Kravica passing through this village so that such ambushes were set on 15 May, 24 July and 2 August, and about 10 people were killed in them, while in the ambush of 24 December 1992, the following Serbs were killed:

1. Milan (Mirko) Zivanovic (1974)
2. Mirko (Milos) Dragicevic (1947)
3. Stanko (Rade) Gajic (1963)
4. Radovan (Stanoje) Ilic (1953)
5. Mirko (Antonije) Krabe (1949)
6. Radovan (Stevo) Milinkovic (1959)
7. Svetolik (Bozo) Milovanovic (1960)
8. Milisav (Radoje) Milovanovic (1950)
9. Borivoje (Cedo) Obradovic (1944)
10. Milenko (Jezdimir) Petrovic (1956)
11. Dragan (Slavomir) Veselinovic (1965)
12. Petko (Dusan) Vujadinovic (1958)
13. Bosko (Krsto) Zekic (1949)
14. Dragan (Ranko) Sarac (1964)

INDICATION CONCERNING PERPETRATOR(S): Moslem military authorities and Naser (Dzemal) Oric born in 1967 at Potocar, Municipality of Srebrenica.

EVIDENCE:

I - 164 -----------------------------------------------------

IX - 063 DESIGNATION OF CRIME: Ethnic cleansing

PLACE AND TIME: The village of Kravica, Commune of Bratunac, January 7, 1993.

BRIEF DESCRIPTION: Under the command of Naser Oric, members of the Moslem armed forces surrounded this purely Serbian village on Christmas, the greatest Christian Orthodox holiday. The attack was carried out by approximately 1,000 persons. The village was totally plundered and burned to the ground and the following persons were killed:

1) Miladin, Dusan, Dolijanovic (1963)
2) Negoslav, Mikailo, Eric
3) Kristina, Nikola, Eric
4) Pajkan, Paja, Gavric (1963)
5) Milovan, Teodosije, Nikolic (1946)
6) Risto, Kosta, Popovic (1920)
7) Kostadin, Risto, Popovic (1947)
8) Milan, Radovan, Stevanovic (1973)
9) Slobodan, Jovan, Bogicevic (1947)
10) Mara Bozic (1909)
11) Stevo, Stojan, Bozic (1951)
12) Novica, Slobodan, Bogicevic (1976)
13) Krsto, Dusan, Lazic (1933)
14) Miladin, Drago, Momcilovic (1935)
15) Vaso, Marko, Nikolic (1920)
16) Mitar, Cvijan, Nikolic (1927)
17) Ljubica Opackic (1918)
18) Bozo, Drago, Radovic (1943)
19) Radenko, Ljuba, Radovic (1974)
20) Dragan, Radosav, Radovic (1968)
21) Vaskrsije, Djordje, Radovic (1956)
22) Ratko, Todor, Visnjic (1949)
23) Tankosava, Vasilije, Stevanovic (1938)
24) Lazar, Kostadin, Veselinovic (1935)
25) Radoje, Radovan, Pavlovic (1936)
26) Mile, Sava, Saveljic (1964)
27) Vladimir, Stojan, Stojanovic (1915)
28) Stanoje, Stanko, Djokic (1942)

INDICATION CONCERNING PERPETRATOR(S):

1) Beside Naser Oric, who commanded the armed Moslem forces, the following persons participated:
2) Zulfo Tursunovic
3) Ferid Hodzic
4) Becir Mekanic
5) Bajro Osmanovic, called "Mis" (Mouse)
6) Nedzad Bektic
7) Hakija Meholjic
8) Veiz Habic
9) Nezir Zebric
10) Hefik Ahmetovic
11) Mustafa Golic
12) Esma Kiveric
13) Mirsad Sulejmanovic
14) Muhamed Cikaric
15) Semsudin Salihovic
16) Sulejman Mujcinovic
17) Junuz Mehic
18) Ejup Golic, called "Ljubo"
19) Fikret Mustafic
20) Murat Avdic
21) Muhamed Jahic
22) Murat Duric
23) Munib Becirovic
24) Fadil Sahbaz
25) Saban Muminovic
26) Musan Osmanovic
27) Zaim Mehic
28) Meho Alic
29) Abid Orlovic

EVIDENCE: Testimonies of the witnesses: Rajko Nikolic, Milorad Nikolic and others.

288 posted on 02/25/2003 1:42:04 PM PST by joan
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To: homeagain balkansvet
" Sending us into Bosnia and Kosovo were the only, THE ONLY, things that the sink emperor did right in eight years."

Spoken like a true Albanian Muslim Terrorist.

289 posted on 02/25/2003 1:42:31 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Destro
And you are sir a Miladic, Krajic apologist. At least no Al-Qaida is known for raping a 5 year old. As bad they are, nothing compares to the Nazis like those from Serbia.

290 posted on 02/25/2003 1:43:30 PM PST by Fairminded (Are you a Miladic apologist?)
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To: homeagain balkansvet
Fabulous rebuttal. It's great to see that not everyone here is a Serb apologist. The SERBS are responsible for the most reprehensible crimes (in Europe, Rwanda was even worse and I can't believe that no one did a thing there either) against humanity since WWII. What they did in Srebrenica, massacring 8,000 civilians in cold blood, as well as ten thousand in Croatia, over 100,000 in Bosnia, and thousands more in Kosovo. These were the killing fields of the 90s, and anyone defending their actions is twisted.

It's great to see that Serbia is slowly moving towards reform. Until they own up to the evils perpetrated by Milosevic, Mladic, and Karadzic, they can't fully move on.

Terrorists of a different religion are still terrorists. Serbs clearly were the butchers of the region - anyone claiming otherwise is trying to re-write history.

As I've said before, DESTRO is on Free Republic for one reason, and one only. He's no conservative. He's pro-Serb and anti-Mus/anti-Turk/anti-Alb.

Destro- why don't you limit to your propoganda posts to a couple a day, instead of bombarding these boards with your mind-numbing propoganda. And stop posting under your alter-ego, Jane. You made a statement, you hate the people mentioned above, exposed yourself as a racist... People who are being unbiased see you for what you are, consider the source, and hopefully see your posts as hate mongering, which is all this is!
291 posted on 02/25/2003 1:44:31 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: Fairminded
What would you buy?

I'll buy that you are a Bosniak.

There were some Afghanis who managed to sneek in Bosnia but they were made to leave by the Bosnian government itself.

I won't buy that. There were Islamics from all over the world who came to Bosnia. What about the Algerians who were arrested not too long ago in Bosnia?

You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting animals like Serbians.

You racist!

Learn some humanity or similar times may come hunting for you as well.

Is that a threat?

292 posted on 02/25/2003 1:47:23 PM PST by joan
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To: joan
You're calling someone else a racist, Destro, I mean Joan???

Please. YOU should be ashamed.
293 posted on 02/25/2003 1:49:52 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: homeagain balkansvet
Lost which war? Slovenia? Croatia? Bosnia? Kosovo? They lost all 4! Great move Slobo...
294 posted on 02/25/2003 1:51:33 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican; homeagain balkansvet
What they did in Srebrenica, massacring 8,000 civilians in cold blood

So you claim they are now civilians whereas homeagain balkansvet referred to them as soldiers. You all can't keep straight on what is more media hype than substance.

295 posted on 02/25/2003 1:57:22 PM PST by joan
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To: joan
They were by and large civilians. Everyone knows the story. The Serbs had the civilians come out from hiding in the mountains wearing Dutch uniforms, after the Dutch fled. Then the killing and massacring started. Shameless of them.

I'm certainly not condemning all Serbs, but the Serbs that were involved were despicable human beings.
296 posted on 02/25/2003 2:05:16 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: Fairminded; DTA
That's all the Taliban do is rape young boys in Afghanistan. All these Serb rapes on your helpless Muslims-propoganda that originated from Arabic Crusader myths that formed the al-Qaeda world view.

I saw what al-Qaeda did with my own eyes on 9/11-a terrorist act planned out of Muslim held Bosnia.

I do not apologize for Mladic or Karadzic since they have done nothing I feel they need to apologoze for.

As for American supporters of the Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims they are traitors or fools or both and I hld them accountable for 3K+ deaths.

297 posted on 02/25/2003 2:20:21 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: NYC Republican; joan
Get it straight am I Pericles, Spar, joan...

Is that the best you got? I post facts and you post insults.

and get it right I am a bigot when it comes to Balkan Muslims not a racist.

298 posted on 02/25/2003 2:30:00 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: homeagain balkansvet
A little search of the text above will reveal I've made no such comparison. I've never even mentioned the three finger salute.

Oh, terribly sorry, I got it confused with your other racist comments.

...I recognize hate propaganda from Serb Nazis when I smell it:... #24

...The four-C swastika may have had a neutral meaning once but not these days... #125

..Christian "orthodox Christian" Nazis--and... #11

You goddam biggot. Why haven't the above sentiments been repeated by CNN, BBC and the rest of the world media, thinktanks etc? Because they are racist. Geddit? You are the one who can't face the out of date BS that you are spouting.

Jeez you boys react to the truth like a vampire does to holy water.

Exactly what did I deny? I provided other information that 'the free and democratic media' here in the West didn't consider pertinent, so that people like you can sanctimoniously tell us from a position of authority, who is right and who is wrong. It wasn't a response to your version 'of the truth'. You didn't comment at all on anything I raised because you didn't know about most of it, contrary to how you present yourself on this forum. Go change your holy water, it doesn't work for you.

Lawyer, mein arsch.

VRN

299 posted on 02/25/2003 2:31:13 PM PST by Voronin (Let obsolete military alliances die.)
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To: NYC Republican; joan
Get it straight am I Pericles, Spar, joan...????

joan--was that NYC Republican begging me to stop posting? Cry uncle Hoxa for me Joe D. You may not know who I am but I know who you are.

300 posted on 02/25/2003 2:38:44 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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