Posted on 02/21/2003 8:23:13 AM PST by Destro
Serbian Orthodox suffer
At least 110 Serb Christian sites (churches, monasteries, graveyards etc.) have been damaged or destroyed in Kosovo since the United Nations took control in June 1999.
Most recently, a church building in the village of Ljubovo was completely destroyed by an explosion in the early hours of 17 November last.
A second explosion damaged another church in the town of Djurakovac. The bombings came on the eve of a visit to Kosovo by UN General Secretary Kofi Annan.
Church leaders and Orthodox worshippers also face violence and hostility from ethnic Albanians, especially where UN checkpoints in the vicinity of churches have been withdrawn in recent months.
Ethnic Albanian Muslim extremists regard churches as symbols of Serbian domination and see them as legitimate targets.
even with his racist remarks about the three finger salute being Nazi.
A little search of the text above will reveal I've made no such comparison. I've never even mentioned the three finger salute.
You also don't engage in guerilla warfare and attack civilians or non-military policemen. Another basic rule of civilized warfare that the Kosovars violated.
We closed our eyes to Serb violations of the rules of warfare for three years, until we couldn't ignore it any more after we saw prisoners massacred in such large numbers we could pick them up on photography. We saw what was going on, and the decision was made at the top: This s--- stops NOW. Of course, we were really motivated by anti-Serb bigotry. Just like you suspected all along. Really.
Please indicate where I said we were motivated by anti-Serb bigotry. I really did not follow the Balkans closely prior to Kosovo, but from what I have seen it looks like there was plenty of wrongdoing on all sides, including as the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Krajina (something that Nato aided). So the Serbs were both aggressors and victims here.
But from my extensive research on Kosovo, I see a situation where the Clinton State Department and the pro-Clinton media was greatly exaggerating what was going on in Kosovo. I saw the media lie about what Milosevic was willing to accept in Kosovo - the NY Times, for example, claimed that Milosevic would not accept ANY peacekeepers, when he simply said he would not accept Nato peacekeepers but would accept UN ones. I saw the Clinton Administration start hostilities even though their own intel said that removing observers and starting attacks would greatly increase the problems on the ground (which they did). And I saw the Clinton Admin declare victory after two months of bombing the Serbs, when the G-8 agreement brokered by Russia was little different from what Milosevic was willing to accept all along. And I saw reports from the Serb opposition saying that the Kosovo intervention set back their attempts to unseat Milosevic. And I saw hundreds of thousands of Serbs cleansed from Kosovo.
So you can say Kosovo was a positive all you want. From what I have seen, the opposite is true.
BTW, than you for conceding that the massacre occurred.
Actually, I did no such thing, I was simply illustrating the absurdity of your position. Whether a hundred civilians are machine gunned in many small groups ore one large group, you still have the same number of dead bodies and atrocities.
You said this in post #14:
Sending us into Bosnia and Kosovo were the only, THE ONLY, things that the sink emperor did right in eight years.
I really don't know enough about Bosnia to add to the debate here. But I strongly disagree that our adventures in Kosovo have been a good thing. Since you claimed otherwise, that is why I am debating the point. You should be able to back up your assertion in an informed manner if you are going to offer one.
You are assuming they are Muslims. Kravica, and the roads connecting to it, was an area where the Muslims based in Srebrenica massacred Serbs and set up ambushes. (Karadjordje's Post #261 mentions this too. ) On Orthodox Christmas, January 7, 1993, the Muslims ATTACKED KRAVICA and massacred Serb civilians (28 are listed by full name and year of birth). Also, the road to Kravica is listed where ambused were set up in 1992: in three ambushes 10 people total were killed. In one ambush December 24, 1992, 14 people were killed (listed by full name and year of birth). The following report was written over a year before the fall of Srebrenica.
DESIGNATION OF CRIME: Wilful killing of civilians
TIME AND PLACE: 24 December 1992, Glogova, Municipality of Bratunac.
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: In this Moslem village, the municipal administrative centre, traversed by the road linking the Serb village of Kravica with Bratunac, some dozen ambushes were organized in 1992, the aim of which was to attack the Serbs from Kravica passing through this village so that such ambushes were set on 15 May, 24 July and 2 August, and about 10 people were killed in them, while in the ambush of 24 December 1992, the following Serbs were killed:
1. Milan (Mirko) Zivanovic (1974)
2. Mirko (Milos) Dragicevic (1947)
3. Stanko (Rade) Gajic (1963)
4. Radovan (Stanoje) Ilic (1953)
5. Mirko (Antonije) Krabe (1949)
6. Radovan (Stevo) Milinkovic (1959)
7. Svetolik (Bozo) Milovanovic (1960)
8. Milisav (Radoje) Milovanovic (1950)
9. Borivoje (Cedo) Obradovic (1944)
10. Milenko (Jezdimir) Petrovic (1956)
11. Dragan (Slavomir) Veselinovic (1965)
12. Petko (Dusan) Vujadinovic (1958)
13. Bosko (Krsto) Zekic (1949)
14. Dragan (Ranko) Sarac (1964)
INDICATION CONCERNING PERPETRATOR(S): Moslem military authorities and Naser (Dzemal) Oric born in 1967 at Potocar, Municipality of Srebrenica.
EVIDENCE:
I - 164 -----------------------------------------------------
IX - 063 DESIGNATION OF CRIME: Ethnic cleansing
PLACE AND TIME: The village of Kravica, Commune of Bratunac, January 7, 1993.
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: Under the command of Naser Oric, members of the Moslem armed forces surrounded this purely Serbian village on Christmas, the greatest Christian Orthodox holiday. The attack was carried out by approximately 1,000 persons. The village was totally plundered and burned to the ground and the following persons were killed:
1) Miladin, Dusan, Dolijanovic (1963)
2) Negoslav, Mikailo, Eric
3) Kristina, Nikola, Eric
4) Pajkan, Paja, Gavric (1963)
5) Milovan, Teodosije, Nikolic (1946)
6) Risto, Kosta, Popovic (1920)
7) Kostadin, Risto, Popovic (1947)
8) Milan, Radovan, Stevanovic (1973)
9) Slobodan, Jovan, Bogicevic (1947)
10) Mara Bozic (1909)
11) Stevo, Stojan, Bozic (1951)
12) Novica, Slobodan, Bogicevic (1976)
13) Krsto, Dusan, Lazic (1933)
14) Miladin, Drago, Momcilovic (1935)
15) Vaso, Marko, Nikolic (1920)
16) Mitar, Cvijan, Nikolic (1927)
17) Ljubica Opackic (1918)
18) Bozo, Drago, Radovic (1943)
19) Radenko, Ljuba, Radovic (1974)
20) Dragan, Radosav, Radovic (1968)
21) Vaskrsije, Djordje, Radovic (1956)
22) Ratko, Todor, Visnjic (1949)
23) Tankosava, Vasilije, Stevanovic (1938)
24) Lazar, Kostadin, Veselinovic (1935)
25) Radoje, Radovan, Pavlovic (1936)
26) Mile, Sava, Saveljic (1964)
27) Vladimir, Stojan, Stojanovic (1915)
28) Stanoje, Stanko, Djokic (1942)
INDICATION CONCERNING PERPETRATOR(S):
1) Beside Naser Oric, who commanded the armed Moslem forces, the following persons participated:
2) Zulfo Tursunovic
3) Ferid Hodzic
4) Becir Mekanic
5) Bajro Osmanovic, called "Mis" (Mouse)
6) Nedzad Bektic
7) Hakija Meholjic
8) Veiz Habic
9) Nezir Zebric
10) Hefik Ahmetovic
11) Mustafa Golic
12) Esma Kiveric
13) Mirsad Sulejmanovic
14) Muhamed Cikaric
15) Semsudin Salihovic
16) Sulejman Mujcinovic
17) Junuz Mehic
18) Ejup Golic, called "Ljubo"
19) Fikret Mustafic
20) Murat Avdic
21) Muhamed Jahic
22) Murat Duric
23) Munib Becirovic
24) Fadil Sahbaz
25) Saban Muminovic
26) Musan Osmanovic
27) Zaim Mehic
28) Meho Alic
29) Abid Orlovic
EVIDENCE: Testimonies of the witnesses: Rajko Nikolic, Milorad Nikolic and others.
Spoken like a true Albanian Muslim Terrorist.
I'll buy that you are a Bosniak.
There were some Afghanis who managed to sneek in Bosnia but they were made to leave by the Bosnian government itself.
I won't buy that. There were Islamics from all over the world who came to Bosnia. What about the Algerians who were arrested not too long ago in Bosnia?
You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting animals like Serbians.
You racist!
Learn some humanity or similar times may come hunting for you as well.
Is that a threat?
So you claim they are now civilians whereas homeagain balkansvet referred to them as soldiers. You all can't keep straight on what is more media hype than substance.
I saw what al-Qaeda did with my own eyes on 9/11-a terrorist act planned out of Muslim held Bosnia.
I do not apologize for Mladic or Karadzic since they have done nothing I feel they need to apologoze for.
As for American supporters of the Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims they are traitors or fools or both and I hld them accountable for 3K+ deaths.
Is that the best you got? I post facts and you post insults.
and get it right I am a bigot when it comes to Balkan Muslims not a racist.
Oh, terribly sorry, I got it confused with your other racist comments.
...I recognize hate propaganda from Serb Nazis when I smell it:... #24
...The four-C swastika may have had a neutral meaning once but not these days... #125
..Christian "orthodox Christian" Nazis--and... #11
You goddam biggot. Why haven't the above sentiments been repeated by CNN, BBC and the rest of the world media, thinktanks etc? Because they are racist. Geddit? You are the one who can't face the out of date BS that you are spouting.
Jeez you boys react to the truth like a vampire does to holy water.
Exactly what did I deny? I provided other information that 'the free and democratic media' here in the West didn't consider pertinent, so that people like you can sanctimoniously tell us from a position of authority, who is right and who is wrong. It wasn't a response to your version 'of the truth'. You didn't comment at all on anything I raised because you didn't know about most of it, contrary to how you present yourself on this forum. Go change your holy water, it doesn't work for you.
Lawyer, mein arsch.
VRN
joan--was that NYC Republican begging me to stop posting? Cry uncle Hoxa for me Joe D. You may not know who I am but I know who you are.
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