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Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban
CNSNews ^ | February 17, 2003 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 02/21/2003 4:18:12 AM PST by ZULU

Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban By Michael L. Betsch CNSNews.com Staff Writer February 17, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - A well-known gun maker recently introduced a powerful new hunting revolver that is said to have no equal in terms of firepower.

But within days of introducing the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum at an industry-wide trade show in Florida, an anti-gun Democrat promised to seek a nationwide ban on the product.

"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Billed as the "most powerful production revolver in the world today," S&W claims its new 500 Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, one of the most powerful sidearm cartridges available.

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

"And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.

Can a revolver be an assault weapon?

While Smith & Wesson's new five-round revolver is billed by the company as "the most powerful production revolver ever made," it's already being reclassified by some gun control advocates.

"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.

"I'm not a weapons expert, but it sounded like pretty strong firepower to me," Currie said. "The description I heard was that from a significant range you could fell a large bear."

She dismissed the notion that the 500 Magnum is a hunting revolver, but did equate it with mob violence.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of rage that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.

Like Davis, Currie said she would examine the prospects of making the sidearm illegal in the state.

"I'm going to look at the technology, as I say, and see if there is any way to specifically keep it from operating in the state of Illinois," Flynn said. "We are also working on efforts to ban military-style assault weapons, and, perhaps there is something about this technology that makes it possible to amend that legislation to include firepower like this."

Anti-gun message said to be flawed

Rifles are most commonly used for hunting, but many gun enthusiasts have also used smaller side arms for hunting, according to Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt, who corrected the claim by Davis that hunters don't use revolvers to shoot prey.

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

As far as Davis' contention that any would-be criminal could easily conceal the 500 Magnum, Pratt said, "Yeah, if you have a trench coat or something like that."

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times.

"It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."

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To: MJM59
If you read some of the literature these wackos put out,they are philosophically opposed to violence in any form, and hence to weapons of any type. Guns are merely the begining. In fact, there seems to be a very close nexus between pacifist leftist groups, anti-gun people and anti-Second Amendment people.

I believe their oppostion to firearms is also from a cultural perspective, in addition to a pure opposition to weapons. They view guns as primarily a male, western European status symbol, emblematic of western European male dominance of women, third world society, racial minorities, and pristine wildlife. And so, they are opposed to anything which glorifies firearms or presents them in any positive way.

To an extent, this also meshes with left-wing black radicals who blame inner city violence on the availability of guns, rather than an apparent cultural inability to control violent elements in their own society, predominantly due to the absence of conventional family structures and the absence of strong positive male role models. It brings together elements like social liberals, greens, animal rights fanatics, religious pacifists, and racial activists.

This may sound kind of wacky to some people out there, but I have spent a long time thinking about the illogical nature of this anti-gun stuff and the readiness with which politicians and some religious groups espouse it, and I think this is the answer.

Consequentially, approaching these people from a logical perspective is a totally fruitless endeavor.

As they control the major news media, the schools and a large number of churches, and as they have succeeded in reducing the number of new gun enthusiasts by stigmatizing firarms as objects, rather then their inappropriate use in the schools, we will be seeing fewer fewer new gun people in future generations and I am not certain how we can stop this process. Additionally, they have been successful in further regulating or limiting the legitimate ownership and use of firearms by young people.
21 posted on 02/21/2003 10:49:22 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: ZULU
This may sound kind of wacky to some people out there,

Not wacky at all -- excellent post.

bttt

22 posted on 02/21/2003 2:33:11 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: ZULU
I intend to buy one this weekend. No kidding. Why? Because it is the biggest gun. Period. Just for fun, just for kicks, just to piss off a liberal. It will have no practical use for me, and I won't be hunting with it. I won't be carrying it for personal protection. I just want one because it is the biggest, and I can.
23 posted on 02/21/2003 2:52:41 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: ZULU
What you said is not at all wacky. I'm afraid it is all too true.

...and I am not certain how we can stop this process.

I have my doubts that we can stop that trend in the absence of some external catalyst. Reality inevitably intrudes on fantasy however. A couple more real good hits by terrorists will sure put a dent in the popularity of liberal utopianism. That is the delusion that man can end all human suffering by creating happy emotions that spurs all aspects of leftist idiot compassion.

They refuse to accept that actions have consequences and thereby fail to understand that controlling another's life has the inevitable result that a condition of tyranny and slavery is created. They fail to see that conditions have causes which are predictable and unalterable. They imagine that personal responsibility is irrelevant as long as nice thoughts and good intentions are applied to a given conflict. Ignorance of the true cause of a condition is deemed unimportant, the mere desire for a good outcome is considered sufficient.

Hogwash!

24 posted on 02/21/2003 7:23:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Let the liberals whine -- it's what they do.)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks for the complement,...aw shucks, we wuz just doin our duty...

I'm sure you have some interesting annecdotal information to share with us. Tell me, what was the greatest technological challenge to your acheivemnt of a nuclear capable .50 cal round? detonation? withstanding high g forces at firing? heat or pressure? what do you find to be the most suitable fissile material?

how did your initial unit testing go?
25 posted on 02/23/2003 8:56:54 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: ZULU
"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said.

Oh yes we do, Mr. Davis. And with considerable success, too. They are also very handy to have when fishing in bear country.

26 posted on 02/23/2003 9:21:05 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
A good modern LeMat for today would be 6-9 shots of 45 Colt and then a 12 gauge in the center. Grapeshot rounds optional.
27 posted on 02/23/2003 9:57:48 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: nightdriver
WHAT we choose to do with a .50 caliber revolver is non of his d@mn business as long as it isn't illegal.

Remember, what these people REALLY want to eliminate is America's "gun culture", i.e., our recognition of the significance of firearms in securing and mainating our liberty from the very onset of our nation, right through the last major wars. The guns themselves are only a PART of their target. The REAL target is the heart and soul of America.
28 posted on 02/24/2003 4:16:20 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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