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To: Con X-Poser
LOSING something is not evidence for evolution. Evolution requires GAINING something

Well isn't that a conveniet little phrase for you, BUT IT IS WRONG.

Evolution says that a creature will evolve into something else over a great period of time.

In the case of Wisdom teeth, which we DO NOT need, and some humans are indeed borm without them, this in fact proves evolution. Because if it is not needed, it is dropped from the genetic code because it is NO longer necessary for survival, just as the appendix, and one other organ that I can't remember right now. If they are removed, you will survive just fine without them.

They had thier uses at an earlier time, but slowly they are being removed from the Genome because they are no longer needed for survival. That is EVOLUTION, and your statement above is DEAD WRONG!!
148 posted on 02/20/2003 8:47:36 PM PST by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Aric2000
In the case of Wisdom teeth, which we DO NOT need, and some humans are indeed borm without them, this in fact proves evolution. Because if it is not needed, it is dropped from the genetic code because it is NO longer necessary for survival, just as the appendix, and one other organ that I can't remember right now. If they are removed, you will survive just fine without them. [Emphasis mine]

Wow! You need to meet the genetic drift theorists.

151 posted on 02/20/2003 9:09:25 PM PST by AndrewC (If an argument doesn't work, Darwininians will coopt the opposite argument)
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To: Aric2000; Jael
<< In the case of Wisdom teeth, which we DO NOT need, and some humans are indeed borm without them, this in fact proves evolution. >>

Wisdom teeth prove evolution? That's a stretch that would impress Gumby.

I'll include some info on wisdom teeth at the end of this post.

<< Because if it is not needed, it is dropped from the genetic code because it is NO longer necessary for survival, just as the appendix, and one other organ that I can't remember right now. >>

BUZZZZZZ! WRONG ANSWER! The appendix contains lymphatic tissue and has a role in controlling bacteria entering the intestines (see Frederic H. Martini, Fundamentals of Anatomy and Physiology, 1995).

The appendix’s function is evidenced by its strategic position where the small bowel meets the colon. The colon is loaded with bacteria that are useful there, but which must be kept away from other areas. The appendix’s main function is in early childhood. Its lymphoid follicles, play an important role in the immune system, and develop about two weeks after birth — the same time that the colon begins to be colonized with the necessary bacteria.

<< If they are removed, you will survive just fine without them. >>

I know people who have survived just fine after having their arms, feet, and legs removed. Does that mean arms and legs are "vestigial structures"?

My ex-wife had a hysterectomy. Does that mean a woman's reproductive system is just vestigial?

<< They had thier uses at an earlier time, but slowly they are being removed from the Genome because they are no longer needed for survival. >>

They are not being removed from the genome, and just because we are too stupid to find a use for something doesn't mean it has no use.

<< That is EVOLUTION, and your statement above is DEAD WRONG!! >>

No, that is a cock and bull story, and you should be ashamed of trying to pass it off.

Wisdom Teeth:

Removal of wisdom teeth has become common in western countries.

In America's past, people had plenty of room for their teeth. Even today in non-western societies, a greater percentage still do. Are only Americans are evolving?

Dr. Jack Cuozzo (an orthodontist), has evidence that humans today may be maturing faster, and our facial bones lack sufficient growth time before wisdom teeth come in. This may be attributed to growth hormones in food.

In western societies we eat cooked vegetables and tenderized beef. Diets in other countries demand more rigorous chewing. In the past diets have been more rigorous with the exercise of the jaw muscles producing greater jaw size and strength.

Many cite poor nutrition and improper hygiene as a cause of gum and bone disease which can force wisdom teeth to erupt in an impacted position. Some studies point at improper sleeping position in infants with continual side or belly sleeping molding the soft facial bones into abnormal shape. The teeth themselves are evidently not the problem.

How can it be said that loss of a useful feature, or loss of room for that feature demonstrates evolution? This is the opposite of evolutionary development!
319 posted on 02/21/2003 5:27:07 PM PST by Con X-Poser
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