Nuclear War At Any Moment - N. Korea

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[RCW2001]

14:00 - 20 February 2003

Relations between North and South Korea are now so grave that military commanders have warned a nuclear war could break out at any moment.

This follows an incident in which a North Korean fighter jet briefly crossed into South Korea but retreated after being confronted by two southern jets.

Anti-aircraft missile units have been put into battle position in the South Korean capital of Seoul

Only a few days ago the North threatened to abandon the armistice keeping peace along the countries' tense border.

The incursion, the first by a North Korean military jet since 1983, increased jitters on the peninsula, where the North is locked in a dispute over nuclear weapons development.

KCNA, the North's state news agency and a mouthpiece of the regime, said the situation on the peninsula was now "so alarming that a nuclear war may break out at any moment."

Tension has crept up since October, when US officials said North Korea had admitted having a covert nuclear weapons programme.

Washington and its allies suspended fuel shipments, and the North retaliated by expelling UN monitors, taking steps to restart frozen nuclear facilities and withdrawing from the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

[gulfcoast6]

They start something I say it is 'parking lot' time. Man oh man, those folks are out of their goards.

[TLBSHOW]

We should not be feeding the army of North Korea period.

[katana]

37,000 American troops

Along with a fairly large number of dependents (read: American women and children). I hope this is posturing and actually belive it is. Kim and his people may be nuts, but even an insane man has to know that if the balloon goes up over the border and shells start dropping on Seoul, our response will be the same as has been planned for decades ... tactical nuclear clearing of the massed North Korean Army.

That's not what we want, but such a reaction will be reflexive and nearly immediate. People I know who have served there have consistently told me that operational plans for this are as close to being carved in stone as you can get. The "trip wire" is fused to one big and highly radioactive can of whoop-ass.

[templar]

This whole affair is bigger than Soddam and N. Korea, it is about the "LEFT" VS the FREE PEOPLE of the world.

Yeah, I'm always amazed at the people who think of communism as some kind of historical artifact.

[LiberalsWorstNightmare]

Believe it or not, many of the young S.K. radical students would take us up on our offer to withdraw. They don't represent the whole of south Korea any better than A.N.S.W.E.R. speaks for you and me as Americans, but it is clear the young students view Bush as more evil than their blood brother, Kim Jong il. Many of them in fact would not mind living under 'chuche' ideology of the North.

[azhenfud]

Don't forget those subs that ARE within strike range.

Bush isn't speaking just to hear himself talk. He recently reiterated the U.S.'s position that any attack on the U.S., U.S.'s interests, or U.S. allies with WMD would be met with "deliberate and overwhelming force". Where was NK's Kim when that announcement was made?

Kim isn't listening, but to his own hurt, he's made humanitarian aid to his starving people dry up. My guess is he'd like to see a few million of them incenerated so the human toll of his brutal, idiotic communist regime would be partly disguised, and partly blamed on the West (say AMERICA).

[ezo4]

We do have allot of folks over there. If this does come to pass and we touch off nukes in responce. What are the chances other countries will join in there own retaliation? Like China for instance or what ever else was sold to nut case leaders in the last 10-15 years.

[LurkingSince'98]

hay ravi,

from globalsecurity.org :

"However, on February 7 various media reports indicated that the Kitty Hawk had been ordered to deploy to the Persian Gulf and that the USS Carl Vinson and her Battle Group would be moved into the Western Pacific to deter North Korea.

"On February 16, 2003 the Kitty Hawk passed through the Strait of Malacca.

Provided that the Kitty Hawk does not make any ports of call en route to the Persian Gulf she should be in position for a war with Iraq on February 23, 2003.

USS Kitty Hawk is slated for replacement by CVN-77 in 2008."

You can link to the Kityy Hawk website all day long - but if you think they are going to tell you where they are right now you're badly mistaken.

Regards

Lurking'

[Just mythoughts]

Sadly, this is the most powerful weapon the communist/socialist/liberals have on their side, muddy the water, seduce the people with "I FEEL YOUR PAIN", take away their God given "rights" and at the same time blame all wrong and evil on the "RIGHT".

Some people live to be conned, and then are too stupid to realize who conned them.

[robertpaulsen]

This is true. But NK does have the full attention of South Korea, China, Japan, and Russia. GW is doing the right thing in letting those countries work it out. They have much more to lose.

I thought I read where we pulled our nuclear weapons out of South Korea about 12 years ago. What say we bring them back, give South Korea the codes, and pull our troops out?

I would guess that by the time the radioactive clouds drift our way, it will be pretty much dissipated.

[angry beaver norbert]

They'd probably use a nuke, on orders from the Chicoms, so the Chinese could see our reaction and compute that into their own evil plans.

[RCW2001]

What the hell are "Talking Horses"???

[LiberalsWorstNightmare]

There are probably more American civilians in South Korea than Americans in uniform. (America, by and large, is quite ignorant about the existence of a large overseas expatriate American population, such as 40,000 Americans in Japan alone who are not military). [They are expatriates, not 'ex-patriots', i.e. they are not traitors, they are on business or study or missionary or travel overseas!] Everytime we think about war deaths in S. Korea brought on by North Korea, we often think only about US military. They are not the only souls on the planet who are priceless. There are thousands other American civilians, and yes, millions of South Korean civilians, all in the line of fire.

[Just mythoughts]

lol, method of sending word for next move by N. Korea.

Why else would Putin be sending horses to N. Korea?

[He Rides A White Horse]

I wouldn't send them one grain of food, nor one drop of fuel.

I have a strong suspicion that things are far worse in North Korea than what we presently hear. I sounds like he is in a position where he desperately needs these things to stay in power. Kim Jong is in all probability hearing the fisrt rumblings of a people who are sick to death of being cold and eating grass.

What other explanation could there be for such overt bellicosity. Threatening nuclear war with the United States? Like he really thinks he can win?

No, Kim Jong knows he would be the leader of the world's biggest ashtray.

It seems to me that he has two choices here:

Start a war with the United States and surely die.

Wait for his people to finally say enough is enough, in which case he is finished also.

I think he is closer to the latter.

What is so interesting is that the United States may be his only salvation. In the form of aid.

Gulp . . . I'm so puckered up I won't have a bowel movement for a month . . . but I'm afraid you're right. Pee Wee Clinton spent eight years showing the world blackmail was a viable and profitable tactic. Somewhere, somehow, and sometime someone is gonna have to change that.

Yes, the thugs of the world are feeling particularly bold at the present time. I wonder when the world will ever learn that appeasement is the worst strategy in dealing with men like this.

[ravingnutter]

Thanks for the updated info...the Kitty Hawk webpage stated it was updated on January 27...so I assumed that info was correct and they were in their home port in Japan. So...who is babysitting NK?

[katana]

I am not sure about the specific numbers but am sure you are right. If you count the non-military expatriates, the numbers in the region are huge. If the expected massed artillery barrage, tunnel invasion, and parachute drops start the hew and cry to protect our people will overwhelm any hesitation over the means.

[The Wizard]

can you spell H-o-r-s-e c-h-i-t this is NK working for Saddam

They don't want to cease to exist, and that's what would happen

[abner]

It's like watching an idiot play chicken.

Its like a Jonestown cult waiting for the baaaad US Gov to come and take them out. Of course, they plan to take a bunch of us out first.

[Polybius]

.....if the balloon goes up over the border and shells start dropping on Seoul, our response will be the same as has been planned for decades ... tactical nuclear clearing of the massed North Korean Army.

"You realize , of course, that everone who read your post without the proper security clearances must now bite down on their cyanide capsules...."