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U.S. Mulling $2-A-Pack Tax on Cigarettes
Reuters ^ | Feb. 19 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 02/19/2003 7:23:11 PM PST by new cruelty

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To: evaporation-plus
We can also use the savings from not covering smoking-related illnesses by medicade/medicare to help fund his budget too!
41 posted on 02/19/2003 8:04:42 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: SheLion; Gabz
heads up
42 posted on 02/19/2003 8:05:24 PM PST by patton (one parking lot tonight = $250)
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To: new cruelty
Excerpts from: Tommy Thompson Floats New Tobacco Tax

By Terence P. Jeffrey humaneventsonline.com [05/13/02]

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson just dumped a load of toxic waste on two of President Bush’s most pristine principles: Taxes should be cut, not raised, and tax cuts should go to everyone, not a privileged few.

Specifically, Thompson floated proposals for a new tax on tobacco and for a tax credit that would be granted only to people who engage in healthy behavior as judged by government bureaucrats.

Thompson floated the two tax proposals without notifying anybody in the White House.

An Associated Press reporter asked Thompson on May 3 whether the government should increase taxes on cigarettes. "Why not?" said Thompson. "I’m for it, but I’m talking as Tommy Thompson now, not as a member of the administration."

Two days later, the Chicago Tribune reported that Thompson, as part of "what he hopes to be the defining quest of his tenure," was "willing to consider the unconventional" in improving the health of Americans. Thompson, the paper said, was studying a special tax credit for people who, as the Tribune put it, "stay in shape."

The day after the Chicago Tribune ran this story Thompson taped an interview with Judy Woodruff of CNN’s "Inside Politics." Here is their exchange:

Woodruff: ". . . I read that among other things you are considering a tax credit for people who take good care of themselves. Are you serious about that?"

Thompson: "I am serious about advocating new ways in which we can try and make people healthier, Judy. And one of those things is exploring the possibility of a tax credit. The problem with it is how do we show proof that people are actually doing what they say they are? It’s very hard to monitor."

Woodruff: "You’re also looking at maybe a tax increase for people who use cigarettes?"

Thompson: "Well, I’m looking at a tax on tobacco and thinking that that’s certainly . . . all part of the thing to remain healthy."

HHS spokesman Campbell Gardett told me that Thompson may not have "meant to suggest a special tobacco tax" when he told Judy Woodruff he was "looking at a tax on tobacco." What he may have meant, said Gardett, "is that not smoking would be part of tax credit sort of idea." He did not contest, however, the accuracy of the CNN videotape or the quote published by AP. Wanting an increase in tobacco taxes, Gardett added, "is not a new position for HHS."

Thompson, he said, "did mean to suggest possibly new and interesting ways of giving people credit for taking care of themselves."

"These are ideas that he wanted to air, so he did," he said. "But these are very much his personal ideas." He stressed that Thompson had not yet discussed them with anyone in the White House or with any Republican in Congress.

He just put them out there in the national media first? I asked. "Yes," said Gardett.

Does he intend to go to the White House or Congress with them? I asked. "Well," said Gardett, "that would depend on what happens next. I don’t believe he has any immediate plans to, no."

The White House did not want to draw any more attention to Thompson’s personal ideas than Thompson already had. Asked to comment on them, White House spokeswomen Mercy Viana noted only that Thompson had said his statements reflected his own views and not those of the administration.

http://www.no-smoking.org/may02/05-15-02-4.html

43 posted on 02/19/2003 8:06:41 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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To: L_Von_Mises
At this rate crack will be cheaper in New York than cigarettes.

I would be shocked pale if that were not already the case. Somebody, somewhere must have figured out the accounting here.

44 posted on 02/19/2003 8:12:34 PM PST by Objective Reality
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To: John Jorsett
Five cents a bullet has been defeated twice already, but I suspect California will soon do what the federal government does - just tuck this horrible little tax mandate somewhere in a 'happy' bill that sounds good on the surface. Did you hear that part of Gebhardt's election platform was to go to the WTO to formulate an 'international minimum wage'? Before I laughed out loud, I thought 'nothing is out of the question any more' - with this kind of thinking, the two rupees a month we'd all get won't even pay for a pack of Marlboro Lights. /sarcasm
45 posted on 02/19/2003 8:15:25 PM PST by ysoitanly
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To: Calpernia
Not for long. Wait and see how quickly new 'fees' and 'taxes' for 'access charges' etc. start cropping up just to use the internet and any other outlets that might actually not give the government their precious due.
46 posted on 02/19/2003 8:17:00 PM PST by ysoitanly
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To: Husker24
A fart sniffing dog will come to your home once a week for inspection.

Just curious, can they train dogs to check for volume and frequency?

47 posted on 02/19/2003 8:18:56 PM PST by Ches
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To: new cruelty
Can you say 'smuggling' boon?
48 posted on 02/19/2003 8:22:28 PM PST by madison46
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To: Husker24
I can't remember the exact case but the power for the government to regulate firearms comes from the power to tax. If our founding fathers had realize what could be done with that power to tax then they would of made 11 amendments as the Bill of Rights.
49 posted on 02/19/2003 8:24:19 PM PST by Swiss
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To: billbears
That's why presidential terms need to be redefined so that a president can serve only ONE term of X years or two nonconsecutive four-year terms. Bush is touting these budget-busting giveaways so he can go into the '04 election appealing to the "moderates", who'll (hopefully) say "Gee, he's not nearly as scary as the Democrats said. He cares so much about the African AIDS victims!" He'll get 99.5 % of the Republican vote regardless of what he does, so there's no need for him to satisfy the conservative base.

It's all about getting re-elected for the first four years. If there was no need to worry about re-election, the president would spend a lot more time pushing the "right" agenda instead of this constant political positioning.

51 posted on 02/19/2003 8:24:54 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: NYC Republican
I don't smoke, but if this is passed, NYCers would pay over $9.00 a pack of cigs!!! Wow

If I am forced to quit smoking simply because government has tyranically forced the price of cigarettes up 'n up 'n up 'n up 'n up beyond all reason and my ability to continue to purchase same . . . WILL I BE ENTITLED TO REPARATIONS ???

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52 posted on 02/19/2003 8:26:36 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Husker24
guns will be next

Ummm, you're almost 70 years behind the times on this one.

The National Fireams Act of 1934 placed a $200.00 (then a prohibitive amount of money) tax on the transfer of privately owned machine guns. (Two hundred "1934" dollars equals over $2,700 dollars in 2003 dollars when adjusted for inflation.)

53 posted on 02/19/2003 8:27:09 PM PST by Fixit (The power to tax is the power to control, and destroy.)
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To: Swiss
The NFA of 1934 relied upon the power to tax. Later day gun grabbers rely more upon the nebulous power to regulate "Interstate Commerce".
54 posted on 02/19/2003 8:29:32 PM PST by Fixit (The power to tax is the power to control, and destroy.)
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To: new cruelty
More 'shove it up your back end' compassionate conservatism? I might start smoking again...black market smokes that is.
55 posted on 02/19/2003 8:29:38 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: billbears
I'm sorry gentlemen for my forcefulness against this administration, the national government as a whole. I am about at the point of tears knowing what this will do to my state, my home.

No apologies necessary. I went ahead and read the report on the site that you provided a link to. I noticed that it showed a potential loss of between 6,000-12,000 jobs near Winston-Salem. That would be devastating. I vacation in that area twice a year and it is beatiful. Real down to earth people. I can sympathize with your frustration over Liddy - We've got John Warner up here in Virginia. I got more courtesy from Tom Daschle's office than I got from Warner's when making calls about issues.

56 posted on 02/19/2003 8:31:20 PM PST by L_Von_Mises
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To: madison46
smuggling boon
57 posted on 02/19/2003 8:31:45 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: Ches
They will train the dog to sniff for left over residue, when done sniffing the dog will bark from 1 to 10 times depending on how much fart residue it detects the fine will run accordingly.
58 posted on 02/19/2003 8:32:11 PM PST by Husker24
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To: new cruelty
Silly.

Tobacco is legal and too easy to grow and dry in your back yard. People will simply start growing their own.
59 posted on 02/19/2003 8:34:29 PM PST by xzins (Babylon -- you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: new cruelty
Half the money raised would be allocated for initiatives to help people stop smoking.

BWAAAA-HAAAA-HAAAA!!!!

60 posted on 02/19/2003 8:37:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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