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To: radioman
I realize that you are just defending the paycheck you recieve for perpetual study,

Well I said that I didn't want to rain on your parade, but I think I might here by disrupting your preconceptions. I don't receive a paycheck. I get paid by the contract and only if I produce what the client wants. I run a business that doesn't have anything to do with academic research. I don't take a penny of taxpayer money, although I was guilty of that crime long in the past.

You attack my intelligence because I disagree with your dogma

Calling you ignorant is not attacking your intelligence, just your (lack of) knowledge.

but have gained absolutely nothing in return.

And yes cancer still is the # 1 killer of people under 65, but your chances of surviving a heart attack today are probably 50 times greater than they were 30 years ago, with most of the research on this being paid for by drug companies and the medical industry.

you have no response on the violation of the law of thermal dynamics when it comes to nuclear energy.

Nuclear physics doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics. It's just the reactions are done on a bigger scale.

to belittle the people who have created the prosperity that you enjoy.

I was not belittling you - I was simply pointing out that H2 as a motor fuel is pure bs on the same level as ethanol as a motor fuel. Sorry if you don't want to accept it, but that's your problem.

And how the hell did you create my prosperity? I don't see you around when I get to work at 5:30 in the morning. I don't see you around at 6:00pm when I go home. I don't recall you or anyone else on this forum ever solving a problem that I had with a client's request. I'm sure I would remember if you or anyone else had helped me set up my company. And I don't recall you or anyone else grabbing their checkbook when it comes time for me to pay my bills.

What I do remember vividly is every year filling out a 1120 forms, 1040 forms, etc. and forking large quantities fo the wealth that I busted my a$$ to earn over to the government to squander on bull sh!t like H2 and the space shuttle (flying kid's ant colonies into space at the taxpayers expense). All of which is enabled by people like you who thinkt that "hydrogen production is simple and efficient" Well simple it is, but it is a long long long way from efficient, and those two laws of thermodynamics that you wear your ignorance of like a shield tell me that there is never going to be any way to make it efficient.

Live long and prosper.

79 posted on 02/20/2003 12:47:36 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
I was not belittling you - I was simply pointing out that H2 as a motor fuel is pure bs on the same level as ethanol as a motor fuel. Sorry if you don't want to accept it, but that's your problem.

Now we're having fun!
I considered your prior statements belittling to others who have made the breakthroughs that have given us our prosperity, not to me personally.

I may be overreacting just a little, but I was emailed several angry responses from academic types the last time we had an H2 debate on this forum. But, I did recieve one email from an interesting guy who I happily gave links to, so I guess it's worth it.

H2 generation on demand is simple and cost effective. This has been proven numerous times.

BMW tested the Cornish hydrogen generator, US Patent 4,702,894.

This device consists of a water tank, a rotating aluminum drum inside the tank with aluminum wire fed onto the drum. An electrical arc is created between the wire and drum powered from dual auto ignition coils with a capacitor between them to give 18KV at 1 amp. The apparatus is powered from the car's battery.

Sound like BS?

Here's a quote from BMW:
"The unit as present assembled in a 2000cc car produced sufficient gas to power the engine continuously. The aluminum consumption averaged out at 180 cm per minute over a 70 minute test run."
Bayerische Motoren Werke
Service Division
I.V. Henseler
V. Krause

The aluminum consumption as tested is $1.00 per 400 miles. The cost of aluminum wire has tripled since this test, but this is still cheaper than gasoline.

BMW decided to develop a hydrogen storage system for their cars because of the adverse politics of hydrogen on demand.

This system has maintenance problems, (aluminum oxide buildup in the tank) but nothing that can't be solved with engineering.

Now, could you explain to me how this violates the 2nd, or any other, law of thermodynamics?

I'll bet you even think there's a law against a free energy device too! Haha...Peace and Prosperity
92 posted on 02/21/2003 1:30:24 AM PST by radioman
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