[FreeTally]

There is no "natural right" to sin.

Good grief, we were given free will. Some of you are so off the wall its amazing.

[bvw]

So we are given free will, we are given hands and eyes too. Do we, then, infer that if our eyes see a pretty bauble on our nieghbor's neck, that we have a right to sin -- then to use our hands to slaughter the husband, rape the wife, take her baubles as a trophy, sell her and her whining kids into slavery and give their household over to some good buddy? Is that right? Why is that a right to *sin*?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

There is no "natural right" to sin.

Good grief, we were given free will. Some of you are so off the wall its amazing.

Good grief? Freedom is the ability to choose the good. The exercise of Free Will in the comission of sin is called License. It is an abuse of our Free Will in the intent God gave it to us, which was to freely choose to love Him by doing His will.

[FF578]

Humans do not have "Free Will". Humans have will to only act according to their nature, which is total depravity.

Humans can only be regenerated if chosen and changed by Almighty God.

Romans 9:11-23 (NASB)

11 for though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad, in order that God's purpose according to His choice might stand, not because of works, but because of Him who calls,

12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER."

13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!

15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."

16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.

17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."

18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"

20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use?

22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

23 And He did so in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,

God chose some humans to be among the Elect according to his choice, according to his will, BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, the rest are left to their sin and eternal punishment.

There is no "Free Will" in the matter of Salvation.