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French aircraft carrier heads home
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| 02/17/2003
Posted on 02/17/2003 3:04:47 PM PST by dighton
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To: dighton
Rubber band must have broke
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posted on
02/17/2003 5:47:00 PM PST
by
Diana Rose
(I hate all things french)
To: YOMO
Just enough time to get all the IFF codes for the junk they sold to Iraq.
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posted on
02/17/2003 5:48:12 PM PST
by
ijcr
To: dighton; aculeus; BlueLancer; Poohbah
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posted on
02/17/2003 5:53:42 PM PST
by
general_re
(ACTUALLY, adv.: Perhaps; possibly.)
To: dighton
French aircraft carrier heads home
It seems the last gerbil they got from Richard Gere was incapable of running backwards on the big wheel...and no Frog worth his Brie would EVER go near a battle zone without the ability to run away!
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posted on
02/17/2003 6:03:11 PM PST
by
Itzlzha
To: spetznaz; aquitaine; dighton; ScholarWarrior; All
The above are 'full size carriers.' Actually that is a far better moniker than 'catapult carrier' because the main thing about them is they have full-size decks while VTOL carriers have short decks. actually it isn't. The alternatives are
1. CATAR: catapult take-off, Arrested landing
2. STOVL: Short take off, Vertical landing
3. STOBAR: Short takeoff, but arrested landing
US carriers, Charles de Gaulle, Sao Paulo are CATAR
UK carriers, Princep de Asturias, Guseppii Garibaldi, Chakri, Viraat are STOVL
Kuznetsov is STOBAR
but it's not a function of deck size. The new British Future Aircraft Carrier will be the same size as the Kuznetsov, bigger than CdG, Sao Paulo, but will be STOVL.
Which is actually a better system than STOBAR, but in practice is restricted to a single aircraft type,(Harrier now, JSF in future), whereas STOBAR can operate any high performance jet a CATAR can, at slighly reduced take-off weight (maybe 80% of max Catapult weight)
Also the Russians are keeping the Kuznetsov (Midway, UK CVF sized), what they have sold to india is the older STOVL Gorshkov (Charles de Gaulle sized),
which will be converted to STOBAR.
Also a gleam in the Indain navy's eye: the STOBAR ADS
To: harpseal
Action at Oran (Operation 'Catapult') - Adm Somerville arrives with Force H off the French Algerian base of Mers-el-Kebir near Oran. French Adm Gensoul is offered a number of choices to ensure his fleet with its four capital ships stays out of Axis hands. All are turned down and, at around 18.00, Force H opens fire on the anchored ships. "BRETAGNE" blows up and the "Dunkerque" and "Provence", together with other ships, are badly damaged. Battlecruiser "Strasbourg" and some destroyers manage to break out in spite of attacks by aircraft from "Ark Royal", and reach Toulon in the south of France.
Three days later the damaged "Dunkerque" is torpedoed at her moorings by Ark Royal's Swordfish. The tragic and unhappy episode is over as far as Oran is concerned.
A more peaceful solution to the French naval presence is found at Alexandria. Adm Cunningham is able to reach agreement with Adm Godfrey on the demilitarisation of battleship "Lorraine", four cruisers and a number of smaller ships.
No action is taken against the French warships at Algiers and Toulon.Here the rest of ships were scuttled in November 1942
"For the Royal Navy an unhappy but in British eyes, necessary duty has been carried out against our former French allies. French anger and bitterness is understandably considerable."
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posted on
02/17/2003 6:21:22 PM PST
by
ijcr
To: dighton
As corruption vies with cowardice for the French national characteristic, Chirac puts
Charles DeGaulle up for bid. . .
One million francs from the tall thin dark man in the turban. . .
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posted on
02/17/2003 6:29:20 PM PST
by
PhilDragoo
(Hitlery, das Butch von Buchenvald)
To: VRWC_minion
Somebody who is handy with a photo editor should put some white flags all over that carrier....
To: harpseal; cardinal4
The Jean Bart engaged USS Massachusetts at Casablanca just prior to Operation TORCH in November 1942. Massachusetts can be seen at Battleship Cove, just off of I-95 in Fall River, MA.
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posted on
02/17/2003 6:39:07 PM PST
by
Ax
To: ijcr
Thank you for the refersher course.
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posted on
02/17/2003 6:58:04 PM PST
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: dighton
Run, run, there is going to be a war soon and we don't want you toads to get hurt.
To: dighton
"A ship like the Charles de Gaulle is not half-operation, or giving an illusion of being operational. It is totally operational." Which, for a French ship, means it is totally prepared to surrender. Exactly what it's doing. So, obviously, for the French, the de Gaulle, IS fully operational.
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:04:28 PM PST
by
AlguyA
To: Riley
Didn't the CDG lose a screw while underway recently?I don't know, but Jacque Chirac has a screw loose!
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:04:39 PM PST
by
reg45
To: dighton
So much for "La Force de Frappe"
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:10:27 PM PST
by
dennisw
( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
To: dagnabbit
.... homeless shelter in Gdansk.Now that's funny!!! I love it!
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:11:52 PM PST
by
reg45
To: dighton
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:22:37 PM PST
by
doug from upland
(May the Clintons live their remaining days in orange jumpsuits sharing the same 6 x 9 cell.)
To: dighton
French aircraft carrier heads home That's about all the French are good for.
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:36:43 PM PST
by
scott7278
(Peace had it's chance, now it's bombs away!)
To: Cuttnhorse
The attack was at Oran (Algeria) on July 3rd. 1940. The British attacked the French fleet to prevent it from falling into the hands of the Germans.
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:37:55 PM PST
by
reg45
To: dighton
When compared to USS Reagan, the french aircraft carrier is a row boat. Frogs can't survive in the open ocean, a muddy pond is more to it's liking.
To: dighton
I think allied command ordered them out of the theatre...
You cant have non-combatent aircraft carriers in an active theatre of war...
War is coming...
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