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That's not what I asked. Can you give me a quote from any southern leader that indicates that their position towards blacks was more generous than Lincoln's? You criticize him for believing that whites were superior to blacks. Well, what southern leader disagreed with that? You criticize him for 'root hog or die'. Well, what was the alternative? Southern leaders wanted black slaves right where they were, out in the field working to increase profits. Those few free blacks that were around they wanted anywhere except where the white planters were, and for that matter the fewer free blacks there were the better. So you tell me, as bad as you claim Lincoln's beliefs were how can they help but be better than any southern leader?

"That's not what I asked. Can you give me a quote from any southern leader that indicates that their position towards blacks was more generous than Lincoln's?"

Oh, I give you what you ask for and you change your question.

"You criticize him for believing that whites were superior to blacks"

I don't believe I criticized him in my post at all.

"Those few free blacks that were around they wanted anywhere except where the white planters were..."

Which ones told you that? The three thousand or so free blacks that owned black slaves?

"So you tell me, as bad as you claim Lincoln's beliefs were how can they help but be better than any southern leader?"

This has always been the gist of your arguments. No matter how bad Northern leaders were the Southern leaders were worse. And you play the game by posting some obscure quote that in your narrow vision defines a culture. Okay, I will tell you by playing your simple game:

"The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states."

Charles Dickens, 1862.

You criticize him (Lincoln) for believing that whites were superior to blacks. Well, what southern leader disagreed with that?

Okay, let me agree with you that Lincoln was a nice racist for the sake of argument. For some reason your friend Walt flings out the racist card at the slightest paranoid hint of his to others who he thinks that may be racist, and yet he defends Lincoln, and for what he said, which is far worse than anything that anybody has said here.

Now could we carry on the same logic with mass murderers? Hitler was actually the nicest mass murderer as compared to Mao and Stalin. Surly you have have no qualms about anybody espousing such beliefs here about that, would you?

I suppose the racist insane asylum you guys are from has more priority over the murderer insane asylum that is yet to come, right? I hope you feel a sense of accomplishment that you are paving the way for just that.