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To: USConstitution
The common Confederate soldier fought because their country was invaded by a dictator. All the Confederates desired was to leave a country full of pompous, simpleminded, arrogant morons like yourself that are completety ignorant of the Constitution

Boohahahaha!

South Carolina seceded from the Union before Lincoln was even swarn in. Another bunch seceded on the day of Lincoln's inauguration.

By seceding, they removed themselves from any Constitutional protection. It would be hard to blame Lincoln for violating the Constitutional rights of the break-away states, since they repudiated association with the Constitution before Lincoln could effectively take office.

In fact, though, it was the secessionist states that violated the US Constitution. Here are the pertinent parts they violated:


Article I. Section. 10. Clause 1:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation;

Article I. Section. 10. Clause 3:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress ... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State ... or engage in War

Article III. Section. 3. Clause 1:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Article VI. Clause 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;


So you can see the secessionist states were treasonous, violated the Constitution by forming a confederation strictly prohibited in Article I. Section. 10. Clause 1.

History is clear who committed treason and who violated the clear wording of the US Constitution -- it was the secessionist states.

150 posted on 02/19/2003 1:41:10 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
So you can see the secessionist states were treasonous, violated the Constitution by forming a confederation strictly prohibited in Article I. Section. 10. Clause 1.

Oddly enough, Jefferson Davis of ALL PEOPLE maintained that the language of the Constitution prohibited secession!

"Conscription dramatized a fundamental paradox in the Confederate war effort: the need for Hamiltonian means to achieve Jeffersonian ends. Pure Jeffersonians could not accept this. The most outspoken of them, Joseph Brown of Georgia, denounced the draft as a "dangerous usurpation by Congress of the reserved rights of the states...at war with all the principles for which Georgia entered into the revolution." In reply Jefferson Davis donned the mantle of Hamilton. The Confederate Constitution, he pointed out to Brown, gave Congress the power "to raise and support armies" and to "provide for the common defense." It also contained another clause (likewise copied from the U.S. Constitution) empowering Congress to make all laws "necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers." Brown had denied the constitutionality of conscription because the Constitution did not specifically authorize it. This was good Jeffersonian doctrine, sanctified by generations of southern strict constructionists. But in Hamiltonian language, Davis insisted that the "necessary and proper" clause legitimized conscription. No one could doubt the necessity "when our very existance is threatened by armies vastly superior in numbers." Therefore "the true and only test is to enquire whether the law is intended and calculated to carry out the object...if the answer be in the affirmative, the law is constitutional."

--Battle Cry of Freedom, James McPherson P.433

EVEN Jefferson Davis said the central government could coerce the states in the matter of conscription. And if in conscription, why not secession?

Oddly, the man Davis sounds JUST LIKE Chief Justice John Marshall:

"In the case now to be determined, the defendant, a sovereign state, denies the obligation of a law enacted by the legislature of the Union...In discussing this question, the counsel for the state of Maryland deemed it of some importance, in the construction of the Constitution, to consider that instrument as not emanating from the people, but as the act of sovereign and independent states. The powers of the general government, it has been said, are delegated by the states, who alone are truly sovereign; and must be exercised in subordination to the states, who alone possess supreme dominion. It would be difficult to sustain this proposition. "

And:

"To the formation of a league, such as was the confederation, the State sovereignties were certainly competent. But when "in order to form a more perfect union," it was deemed necessary to change the alliance into an effective government, possessing great and sovereign powers, and acting directly on the people, the necessity of deriving its powers from them, was felt and acknowledged by all... "

And:

If any one proposition could command the universal assent of mankind, we might expect that it would be this -- that the government of the Union, though limited in its powers, is supreme within its sphere of action. This would seem to result, necessarily, from its nature. It is the government of all; its powers are delegated by all; it represents all; and acts for all. Though any one state may be willing to control its operations, no state is willing to allow others to control them. The nation, on those subjects on which it can act, must necessarily bind its component parts. But this question is not left to mere reason; the people have, in express terms, have decided it, by saying, "this constitution, and the laws made in pursuance thereof,: shall be the supreme law of the land," and by requiring that the members of the state legislatures, and the officers of the executive and judicial departments of the states, shall take an oath of fidelity to it. The government of the United States, then, though limited in its powers, is supreme; and its laws, when made in pursuance of the constitution, form the supreme law of the land, "anything in the constitution or laws of any state, to the contrary notwithstanding."

And:

"Among the enumerated powers, we do not find that of establishing a bank or of creating a corporation. But there is no phrase in the instrument which, like the articles of confederation, excludes incidental or implied powers; and which requires that everything granted shall be expressly and minutely described. Even the 10th amendment, which was framed for the purpose of quieting the excessive jealousies which had been excited, omits the word "expressly," and declares that the powers "not delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or to the people," thus leaving the question, whether the particular power which may become the subject of contest, has been delegated to the one government, or prohibited to the other, to depend on a fair reading of the whole instument... It would probably never be understood by the public. Its nature, therefore, requires, that only its great outlines should be marked, its important objectives designated, and the minor ingredients which compose those objects,, be deduced from the nature of the objects themselves. That is the idea entertained by the framers of the American constitution, is not only to be inferred from the nature of the instrument, but from its language. Why else were some of the limitations, found in the 9th section of the 1st article, introduced? .... The subject is the execution of those great powers on which the welfare of the nation essentially depends. It must have been the intention of those who gave these powers, to insure, their beneficial execution. This could not be done, by confining the choice of means to such narrow limits as not to leave it in the power of congress to adopt any which might be appropriate, and which were conclusive to the end. " --John Marshall, Chief Justice, writing in McCullough v. Maryland, 1819

How about that?

Sounds like Davis had a copy of McCullough in hs back pocket when he wrote to Governor Brown. Guess he lost it after the war.

Walt

152 posted on 02/19/2003 1:45:15 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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