WE'LL OUST BLAIR: MPs PLOT AN ANTI WAR REVOLT TO TOPPLE PM

Daily Mirror (U.K.) ^ | 02/17/03 | Paul Gilfeather

[section9]

However, the condition of the Tory Party doesn't make one too confident.

If there's a move to change his government, Blair would have to turn to IDS. That would put him in a class with Ramsay MacDonald, who was, iirc, considered a traitor to the Labour Party for playing footsie with Stanley Baldwin.

This war is one of the highest stakes. Blair understands his enemies within the cabinet, especially Gordon Brown. Brownie doesn't want to be the man responsible for a break with America, so Blair is taking his stand to ward off Brown and the rest of the Cabinet Insurgents.

This is where Tony Blair earns his pay.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[ClancyJ]

If they tried impeachment on Bush they would have an absolute uproar from Americans. We love this president and he is a leader which we have needed for a long, long time.

They better not try a stupid move like that. Nothing would galvanize his supporters more.

[chilepepper]

Your narrow focus on local US politics misses something of strategic importance that happened in 1991 as a direct outcome of GWI...

The Soviet Union and Communist bloc in Europe ended up on the ash heap of history.

Did you miss this event??

[George W. Bush]

I think this is what Chirac and Schroeder have wanted all along. They want a crippled England in the EU.

Me too. They want Blair out because he'll resist the new French constitution for Europe. They fear the bad example he'll set for others in resisting the federalism of it which will allow France and Brussels and Germany to dominate the foreign and defense policies of every member of Europe.

I think Blair knew he might have to accept that going into Iraq might cost him his position. It's strange to see him operate now as a man of principle, given my views of him when he first came to power.

I think Blair will survive the upstarts in his own party.

[Numbers Guy]

A resolution will be constructed and put to a card vote at the party's annual conference in the autumn

By this autumn we (US and UK) will be triumphant in Iraq. The horror of the Iraqi regime will have been exposed, as well as all their WMD programs. Blair will have been fully vindicated.

If they try to remove him then, well, they'll end up with a lot of egg on their faces.

[Scott from the Left Coast]

It will be over, one way or the other, well before autumn (though with our current snail's crawl to war one hesitates with even statements like that).

This long, slow, drawn out, build-up (our logistics seems to take much longer to set up as the years go by, not get more efficient) has energized the left in the U.S. and Europe unlike anything we've seen in a generation or more. The left is on fire right now, and that bodes ill for Blair even if the war (whenever it happens) is a huge success.

The Brits, in the throes of leftist fervor in 1945 (unionists allied with Stalinists, if there was much difference between those two) threw Churchill out of office right on the heels of his saving of the free world. Winning wars does not always yield political success in either Britain or America. Blair still has trouble, regardless.

[NorCoGOP]

Our source said: "I will not speculate on who will be asked to front this challenge.

Well, Neville Chamberlain is dead, so who could it be?

[metesky]

I am in agreement with you on the fickle Brit voter. They've had their hands out for too long to change now.

I'd just like to see one paper or network (Fox, perhaps) put the truth of who and what is behind all this peace crap out into the ether and see how many fall away from "the movement" when they find out they've been playing footsy with NK, China and the rest.

The towel heads are winning the propaganda war right now and American media are playing right into their hands.

[tbpiper]

What are you going to do to help the economy? Or are you just going to sit there and watch it?

[Scott from the Left Coast]

I doubt many would fall away from the movement. These are true believers -- and they know precisely who they are supporting and who they are opposing.

It's just that they hate America and it's values, and particularly they hate Bush so much that to them Kim Il Jong and Sadaam Hussein are far less "evil" than America or Bush.

After all, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, and Danny Glover tell them that over and over.

[ABrit]

According to my mother, Churchill lost the post-war election because the returning troops were unhappy at their treatment, during the war, by the officer class.

I don't think that scenario is likely to be replayed.

[jmstein7]

With the big GOP majority in the House, it would be impossible for anti-Bush bigots to pass articles of impeachment. Additionally, there are 51 GOP senators and several DemonRat Senators behind the war effort, so it would also be impossible for a conviction if there was an impeachment trial.

[areafiftyone]

Thank god!!!

[Big Guy and Rusty 99]

A Little Rant:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/845248/posts

[Scott from the Left Coast]

Yes, that was a part of the larger class warfare attack that Labour waged against Churchill's Tories, backed by the trade unions and socialists.

It may not happen again because the circumstances are different, politically. But success in the war may not serve Blair politically in the way we assume it will. It didn't serve Bush well in 1992, even though he was certain it would. Blair's political problems will remain regardless of the war's outcome -- and a successful outcome combined with stagnant economy may energize his opponents even more. In politics, energy and will are critical factors.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

I believe that Conyers, Jackson Lee and McDermott were among members of Congress to support Chavez in Venezuela - to oppose the efforts of the Venezuelan people to depose him.

Supposedly, Castro was working on bio weapons. He, Saddam and Chavez have had many meetings - and that the Cuban bioweapons lab was moved to Venezuela. A former top aide, since defected, claims that he has documents that prove Chavez sent a million or so (co-opted the oil money, banks and gold) to Al Quaeda after 9-11. Chavez calls himself the leader of the new "international anti-imperialist (anti-American) movement". He supports Kim in N. Korea.

Let the Congressional Socialist Caucus(s)es try! Then maybe we can take the mighty pens away from the pro-Castro/Chavez AP-mainstream journalists.

[OldFriend]

I was so disappointed when the first overthrow of Chavez failed. Why they ever let that man back into power is beyond me. What a fiasco.

We failed to overthrow Castro way back when. We failed to removed Saddam Hussein and we have failed to overthrow Chavez. There are terrible consequences to these failures.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

I suspect that Bush & Blair still have some cards to play that they are carefully holding back. Probably something less than 1% of the classified intelligence that they have on Iraq, on their SUPPLIERS (i.e., France, Germany, Russia & China), and on their SUPPORTERS (Chirac, Schroder, various protestors/useful idiots) has so far been made public. There could be some accutely embarrassing information that could be released when and if needed.

There will be multiple political careers, political parties, regimes, and alliances as collateral damage before this is all over.

[CyberAnt]

"The Labour MP, who asked not to be named"

Hmmmm? As usual, it's one of the "not in our name" crowd.

[Robert_Paulson2]

internment camps might be helpful.
no, i am NOT kidding.