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Why the French defy America
The Daily Telegraph ^ | February 17, 2003 | Patrick Bishop

Posted on 02/16/2003 4:32:38 PM PST by MadIvan

Washington will focus this week on persuading France to soften its opposition to war against Iraq. Patrick Bishop toured France to find out why anti-Americanism is so entrenched there

In Cantigny, at least, they are grateful. The main street, winding between the low northern houses is called the Rue Première Division USA. There is a monument to the dead planted in the chalky mud at the entrance to the village.

And in his garage, 86-year-old Joseph Lefever has created a little museum, recording the times when Americans crossed the sea to come to Cantigny's rescue.

"I have three reasons to be thankful." he says. "They liberated us here in 1918. They did it again in 1944, and they set me free from a prisoner of war camp near Munich a year later." In Cantigny, perched on the wide, bare fields of the Somme, the current transatlantic row is barely registering.

The Americans are not expected to break their habit of returning, year after year, to stand in front of the monument to the 199 doughboys killed and 867 wounded in the fighting of May 1918. Then, as always, the visitors will join the villagers for a glass of wine at the mayor's house.

Cantigny, though, is only a tiny scrap of France. Most of the inhabitants are elderly, and the evidence of American sacrifices in two world wars confronts them every day.

Elsewhere, memories are shorter and sentiments harsher. For French people under 60, the ambivalence towards America was there long before the eruption of this latest bagarre.

Even America's best friends here are often dismayed by its political attitudes; even its biggest critics can be enthusiastic consumers of its exports.

The one thing that Americans can be sure of is that they will never receive unequivocal, unwavering backing from the French in their war against terrorism.

Nor, most people here seem to believe, should they be asking for it. They reserve the right to change their mind in politics - as in love. Anyone who doesn't, they imply, is not a serious, sensate or - the beloved word - logical person.

Fallings-out between France and the United States are nothing new, but it is clear that this one is different. In the past, the French have affected not to notice outbreaks of Frog-bashing by tabloid columnists or rent-a-quote politicians. This time, the jibes are stinging.

"We are now in a real war of words," says Philippe Roger, who teaches at the École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales in Paris and is the author of L'Ennemi Américain, a study of French anti-Americanism which became a bestseller when it appeared last September.

"According to them, we are now dirty, cowardly rats and weasels." The change of tone, he believes, merely sharpens an antipathy that has always been there. "French anti-Americanism is not a short-term phenomenon," he writes. "It is anchored in history."

He thinks that it predates the protests against the Vietnam War, the passions of 1968 - though it was strongly present in both - and French anxieties during the Cold War.

France, he says, believes it has a stake in the birth of the US through the agency of General Lafayette, who fought alongside George Washington against the British and loved the idea of America with an almost erotic intensity.

Ever since, the French have seen the US as a potential Utopia, he says, and have reacted to its failure to conform with their desires with an exasperation that has often shaded into something like hatred.

By the end of the 19th century, anti-Americanism was already providing an ideological cement that bound together the many different intellectual and social strains of French political culture.

"In a time of strident divisions," says M Roger, "anti-Americanism was the most common value in France. It didn't belong to the Left or the Right. It brought together religious and non-believers, nationalists and internationalists."

Sylvie Kauffmann is a journalist at Le Monde, the intellectual citadel of French liberalism. After eight years in Washington and New York with her husband, a diplomat, she has grown to like and respect Americans.

Nor does she have any objection to going to war against Saddam Hussein. She bristles, though, at the way Washington is setting about it.

"It's true that the French sometimes appear not to have come to terms with the fact that they are no longer a major power - but we are not the pygmies the Americans say we are, either.

"We are a medium-sized power, like Britain, which happens to have a permanent seat on the [United Nations] Security Council. You may not approve of that, but it's a fact. This gives us the power to oppose US policy in a forceful manner if we think it's right."

Mme Kauffmann feels that France proved its essential loyalty with the spontaneous flood of sympathy that followed September 11 and that it should be granted the latitude that exists within strong friendships for allowing disagreement.

"There was an incredible outpouring after 9/11, the like of which I have never seen among French people," she says. "But the Bush administration never took advantage of it… I've been struck by their total inability to do anything about anti-Americanism, to the point where I wonder whether they really want to."

Michel Kenedi, a businessman with a lifelong admiration for America, is also bewildered by what he is beginning to regard as a personal repudiation of his affection.

"I feel alienated. My two sons are half-American. I always believed that we were fundamentally the same - that we shared the same basic values, but that there was room for our differences. Now, it's like being part of the Roman empire - an empire that is more intolerant than ever of criticism."

Even the sharpest observers of America are quick to say how much they like Americans. José Bové became a hero to many of his countrymen when he led a party of Green warriors to dismantle a half-built McDonald's in his home town of Millau in the South-West. He has now become a star of the anti-globalisation movement.

M Bové, who spent three years growing up in the US, insists: "People make a big distinction between American people and the American government. America is part of my youth.

"I have a lot of friends there like Ralph Nader [the anti-corporation campaigner]." Nader, he says, exemplifies a parallel set of American virtues that counterbalance the attitudes of the current administration.

It is true that there is much - both in the ideological and material sense - that the French admire in the US and, in the past, they have been willing to acknowledge its contribution to Europe.

There are probably more Rue Wilsons - named after the last American president to try to deliver "Old Europe" from its cynical, selfish ways - than Rue Bonapartes in France.

President Wilson, like George W Bush, saw the world through thick moral lenses. Post-1918, a lasting peace could be achieved, he believed, by the application of his famous 14 points.

The programme provoked one of the great Old Europe witticisms from the French leader Clemenceau. "Even the Good Lord," he growled, "only had 10 commandments."

The nation's greatest rocker, the nuclear-tanned dinosaur Johnny Hallyday, keeps a fleet of Harley-Davidsons and produces hits with titles such as Quelquechose de Tennessee.

Jacques Chirac, currently in full cocorico mode, is, in truth, a bit of a mid-Atlantic man, who prefers beer to wine and counts his days in the 1950s - hitchhiking across America and falling in love with a Southern belle he called Honeychile - as one of the happiest times of his life.

Despite occasional ambushes mounted by traditionalists, American films and fashions continue to overwhelm the country's puny cultural defences.

Yet some Americans living in France sense schadenfreude lurking behind the affection. "People were really supportive in the aftermath of 9/11, but it was very short-lived," says Andrea Maier, an American entrepreneur who has worked for the past 10 years in Paris.

"I heard a lot of surprisingly anti-American remarks soon afterwards. They seemed to think that there was an element of retribution - that the Americans had somehow brought this on themselves."

This, she reckons, went beyond the routine condescension that she finds among friends and acquaintances. " I think, in France, if you're at all smart or sophisticated, you're expected to be slightly anti-American. It's part of being a thoughtful French person.

"The form it takes depends on your level in society. Further down the scale, people like the cars and clothes and movies - the things the Americans do well. But they deplore the ghettos and the food. The top cliché is that all America's problems stem from its Puritan origins."

Sylvie Kauffmann believes that the further up the social ladder you go, the more pronounced the hostility is likely to be. "Structured anti-Americanism is mainly found among the elite - people who have given it a lot of thought."

Intellectuals of the Left, she believes, are just as susceptible to it as those on the Right. One Frenchwoman described a dinner at which a chief adviser to the former prime minister Lionel Jospin - on hearing that she had just returned from America - exploded that he "hated these people and their country".

At a less august level, there is a willingness to accept a comic-strip view of America, especially if it is an American who is peddling it. The documentary Bowling For Columbine?, made by the pudgy dissident Michael Moore, was a box-office smash.

The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo magazine portray Mr Bush and co. as mutants - kept alive by the fossil fuels whose continued supply they are willing to wage war to protect.

But it is Mr Bush's perceived stupidity, as much as his alleged warmongering, that generates French concern and, yes, contempt. The French expect their politicians to be clever.

"Most French people are irritated by the public postures of the American government," says Mme Kauffmann. "They despise George Bush because they don't think he's up to the job."

When he went to the Normandy beaches in 2001 for the ritual visit, his wooden performance was a letdown. "Reagan had been brilliant, Clinton had been brilliant. French people might not have agreed much with Reagan, but they could still be impressed by the show."

Reports of White House Bible study sessions baffle and alarm a people for whom religion is purely a private matter. "This really doesn't play well," said Pierre Buhler, the former French cultural counsellor in New York, who is now a visiting professor specialising in transatlantic relations at Sciences Po in Paris.

"It carries a whiff of fanaticism, dividing the world between those who are good and those who are evil. These are not categories that we feel at ease with."

He fears that the distinction that M Bové has pinpointed is in danger of dissolving. "There is a blurring of the border between anti-American and anti-Bush," he says.

"Before, people were against the US - not because of what it was, but for what it did. That difference is hardly being separated out in argument."

Anglo Saxons tend to suspect that France's bouts of contrariness towards Americans stem from an inferiority complex. But Andrea Maier is doubtful.

"Certainly, the French do find them more fascinating than they would like to. Scorn, after all, means you are paying attention. It would be easy to say they envy America, but I'm not sure it's true. The French are pretty happy with who they are."

Whatever Washington may think about the motivations of France's leaders, there is little doubt that their stance reflects a heartfelt national unease at the prospect of war, as well as profound annoyance at America's hectoring manner.

"Some people have called what is going on 'Wilsonism with heavy boots'," says Pierre Buhler. "But the difference is that Wilson wanted to share his message by persuasion. What we are seeing here is more of a bullying approach."

The French like to be asked nicely to change their minds. They prefer that the asking is done by someone who at least pretends to respect the country's glorious past and the place it stakes for itself in the history of political thought.

Bill Clinton played along. They warmed to him and sympathised during his Monica Lewinski travails, while privately mocking America - and the president himself - for a hopeless lack of sophistication in such matters.

Mr Bush has made it clear there will be no flattery - no coaxing. The French, therefore, assume that he hates them. The feeling, in many quarters, is now mutual. But the likelihood, still, is that when the crunch comes at the Security Council, chilly realpolitik considerations will prevail.

Continued defiance would launch France on a long diplomatic war which it knows, deep down, it can never win. The veto will stay unplayed, to be brandished another day.

France and America share too much history to break up now. The Americans will come back to Cantigny for many years to come - to the monument and M Lefever's little museum.

The optimists here say it is best to regard the current crisis merely as a bad patch. But it seems certain to be a lengthy one that will endure as long as George W Bush remains at the White House.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chirac; france; iraq; saddam; uk; us; weasels
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Wow! Thanks for the list! I will pass it on.
101 posted on 02/16/2003 8:29:39 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Found some more on FINA:

Finally in 1998, Fina succumbed to a merger proposal (in reality a takeover) by the French company TOTAL, to form TotalFina.

FINA - Brief History

FINA bought the assets of Sinclair W.W. Fowler Oil Company

102 posted on 02/16/2003 8:41:43 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: JDGreen123
Citgo

PURE oil...
fact... staying out of Iraq is essential for France's survival.. keeping us out... it IS about oil.

the protestors say this is about oil... right... FRANCE having it, selling it and investing it with their national corporate greed.....

to france and russia... it IS about oil.
103 posted on 02/16/2003 8:55:59 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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To: MadIvan
I think I can speak for a lot of people here by saying that I don't care where their anti-Americanism comes from, just that they get rid of it...or face the consequences.
105 posted on 02/16/2003 10:37:30 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Siobhan
Actually, my dear Barnacle, there is quite a Catholic renewal and revival going on among young people -- much to the elite's horror.

Source please?

106 posted on 02/16/2003 10:53:48 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Fr. Benedict Groeschel, CFR as well as my own experience among the Community of the Beatitudes and the Jerusalem Community in France one summer ago.
107 posted on 02/16/2003 11:14:19 PM PST by Siobhan († Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet †)
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To: MadIvan
In the past, the French have affected not to notice outbreaks of Frog-bashing by tabloid columnists or rent-a-quote politicians. This time, the jibes are stinging.

We have not yet begun to taunt.

108 posted on 02/16/2003 11:18:13 PM PST by arm958
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To: MadIvan
The French are racists, they don't like cowboys from Texas.
109 posted on 02/16/2003 11:27:21 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: MadIvan
Yeah, easy to see why they are a third world country.
110 posted on 02/17/2003 1:07:15 AM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: arkfreepdom
It ain't we, we never entered into it. This president is not going to waste time much less air discussing if the French are upset that they are not being personally catered to. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way; the French still ain't figured out Bubba is not running the show!
111 posted on 02/17/2003 1:16:50 AM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Siobhan
I don't know if you were referring to just French young people, but there's also a renewal and revival going on right here in the good ol' U.S.A. amongst Catholic young people. I'm not sure if you've heard of Colleen Carroll's recent book "The New Faithful: Why Young Adults are Embracing Christian Orthodoxy," but it details this trend in detail. There were two articles that mentioned the book in a recent issue of my diocese's weekly newspaper that basically wrote off the book (the authors basically proved Carroll's point that Baby Boomer Catholics are scared of this movement), but I wrote a letter to the editor in defense of the book. You should check this book out. :-)
112 posted on 02/17/2003 1:20:06 AM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: MadIvan

Dear France,

F*** you.

Love,

America

113 posted on 02/17/2003 1:20:21 AM PST by Lurker (If I wanted your opinion, I'd have beaten it out of you....)
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To: Lady Heron
"...We will never see eye to eye nor will we ever please France until the anti-Christian groups finish what they started in de-Christianizing America..."

One thing we know---France has played absolutely NO role in the de-Christianization of America. The alledged influence of French intellectuals in our Institutions of Higher learning is more a comment upon US than upon the worth of French intellectuals. Foucault is a joke in France. He's required reading in America.

France, France,France, France, France, France. That's all I've heard for the past three days.

If France is such a small, weak, meaningless turd on the highway of history then why is everybody so upset about their lack of support? Who cares about the support of a small, weak, meaningless turd, anyway?

114 posted on 02/17/2003 10:48:34 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Lurker
A very moving picture Lurker.

Are those the graves of Frenchmen who covered the backs of the English as they retreated across the Channel?

115 posted on 02/17/2003 11:00:51 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Yes, that was my feeble effort to dismiss them as 'absolute idiots, completely jealous at us, and therefore, let us not purchase their products.' My French was not good, but passable.
116 posted on 02/17/2003 2:07:56 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Heading to the store to turn in my unused Perrier for a refund; gonna' buy British scones instead)
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci

When I warned them [France] that Britain would fight on alone, their Chief [General Weygand] told their Prime Minister that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck! - Winston Churchill, December 30, 1941

The French were covering no one's back, madamoiselle. Crawl back under the rock from whence you came.

Ivan

117 posted on 02/17/2003 2:10:11 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
More French Companies:
BANQ ONE and KY Jelly in both cases someone gets screwed.
118 posted on 02/17/2003 2:15:28 PM PST by NOLBRLS
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To: MadIvan
Here is an interesting little photo from 1976:

Jacques Chirac & Saddam Hussein in 1976.

I will need some help from any German speakers out there who could interpret the article that features this photo: Alte Intimitäten zwischen Paris und Bagdad

Reminds me of this photo of Vichy French leader Marshall Petain greeting Adolph Hitler:

The Simon Weisenthal Center has a large online gallery of how the French Nazis treated Jews in World War II. I believe there is a latent anti-semitism in the French thinking that is playing a part in the current situation.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center

119 posted on 02/17/2003 2:39:48 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: MadIvan
Perhaps it was meant.. the French who "were firing" at the backs of the Englishmen whom they betrayed... after pretending to be allies.

There is no defense or excuse for the amoeba's of our human species, the spineless french.

The France-bashing, is only beginning. Just wait till we uncover their "espionage" against the free world in concert with their communist brethren the world around. Their betrayal of NATO and the allies of the atlantic alliance, using military espionage and supporting terrorism, to support their attempt to rule the EU... will pretty much put them on the list of terrorist supporting states... Of course, they will revolt and overthrow their unstable democracy as they have about 6-12 times in the 240 year history of our republic. These are the folks that lecture our democratic republic as if they were "more knowlegable" about it. rofl. It is even more humorous when they lecture the land of the Magan Carta, about the proper role of government and such... They don't understand anything but bolshevic socialism, masquerading as "democracy," they are after all the "socialist elites." They THINK they know it all when in fact they know nothing.

the french are amateurs at democracy and self governance but pretty good at the "au contrer" table. "We disagree" should be their national motto, or "we betray..." perhaps.

I pray that there WILL be a regime change in France, before it's too late for them all. But it appears they are now overrun with islamic extremists, jew haters and communists... too bad. Not surprising however. Nations who will stand for anything, will fall for everything... and they have.
120 posted on 02/17/2003 2:59:05 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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