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To: KDD
"The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible. "
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What unadulterated bull hockey! As I just posted in another thread, deism never really caught on in America. It was fleetingly embraced only by a handful of non-founders during a very brief period in the 19th century. Jefferson, when accused of being a deist, hotly and indignantly denied it. And although Franklin's youthful flirtation with deism is well-known, his later repudiation of it is also no secret. Deists, as you know, don't believe in providence (divine intervention) and therefore don't believe in the utility of prayer. They also do not appeal to scriptural authority. Note Ben Franklin's speech to the Constitutional Convention, which follows --

    "The small progress we have made after four or five weeks' close attendance and continual reasonings with each other--our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ayes--is, methinks, a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the human understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom, since we have been running about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of government, and examined the different forms of those republics which, having been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution, now no longer exist. And we have viewed modern states all round Europe, but find none of their constitutions suitable to our circumstances.

    "In this situation of this assembly, groping, as it were, in the dark, to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings. In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of dangers, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance?

    "I have lived, sir, a long time, and, the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that 'Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.'

    "I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building, no better than the builders of Babel. We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded; and we ourselves shall become a reproach and by-word down to future ages. And, what is worse, mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war, and conquest.

    "I therefore beg leave to move that, henceforth, prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."

Sound like a "deist" to you? In just this one citation, we see Franklin referring repeatedly to divine intervention, calling for prayer and citing scriptural authority. Of the 55 men at the Constitutional Convention, a typical account of their faiths will show 28 Episcopalian (Anglican), 8 Presbyterian, 7 Congregationalist, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Lutheran, 2 Roman Catholic, etc. There was hardly a "deist" to be found among them, so your argument that the "primary" founders were "deists" is absurd. Did you know that in some states in 1789, you couldn't even hold public office if you were a deist? As early as the Great Awakening of the 1740s, deism was a distrusted and discredited relic of the French enlightenment, and as late as 1828, Noah Webster's definition of "deism" left no doubt about this.

92 posted on 02/16/2003 1:54:07 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Post #92 = Checkmate
98 posted on 02/16/2003 5:24:35 PM PST by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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