[js1138]

Likewise, lowering the bar in the definition of free will to nominal anticipation has the effect of equalizing mankind to rodents in sentience. Of course, animal rights activists are all over this looking for lawyers to defend "animal rights."

I don't think nature cares much about our politics in formulating it's laws. Animal rights s a difficult issue, even for conservatives. There is another FR thread currently discussing cat health. Even conservatives get mushy about their pets. If they thought cats were mentally the equivalent of bricks, they would not have these concerns.

I don't see how anyone could doubt whether wave phenomenon has bearing on consciousness! ...assuming you have a quantifiable mental phenomenon that requires an explanation, and you have a verifiable interaction between wave phenomena and the mental phenomena. Where is the transmitter, the receiver, the demonstrated interaction?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your post!

Even conservatives get mushy about their pets. If they thought cats were mentally the equivalent of bricks, they would not have these concerns.

Indeed, they wouldn’t. But conservatives are already astir over threats of reparations lawsuits. Imagine huge law firms filing class action lawsuits for reparations for rodents killed and tortured in the development of drugs. Conservatives, IMHO, would see a bright line difference between animal rights and human rights.

In San Francisco, as I recall, an ordinance has been passed so that a human cannot be an “owner” of a pet. They must now be registered as “guardians.” This is just a baby-step down the “animal rights” path, but undervaluing sentience could have quite a legal impact.

assuming you have a quantifiable mental phenomenon that requires an explanation, and you have a verifiable interaction between wave phenomena and the mental phenomena. Where is the transmitter, the receiver, the demonstrated interaction?

That is the question we must each answer.

The physical laws tell us that all that there is, is a manifestation of wave phenomenon, thus the brain is a collective of wave phenomenon in itself, functioning within a seemingly endless sea of wave phenomenon - some of which may be a manifestation of other dimensions via resonance of superstrings or the effect of virtual particles or things we cannot begin to comprehend.

I assert that the brain itself is the transmitter/receiver that materializes a unity of consciousness which is the individual being. But the individual being cannot exist, materially, apart from the whole.

In the new age and Buddhist/Eastern mindset, the whole isn’t a being, it is a greater collective which is influenced by the individual and vice versa.

In the Christian mindset the believer abides within the higher, non-material, being who has all the free will characteristics of consciousness, which I described earlier encompasses language, comprehension, love, sacrifice, self-awareness, etc.

This is a great mystery (and probably inconceivable) to people who are not Christian, but it is the fact of life to those of us who are:

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. – John 15:4 Therefore, on personal experience, I confidently assert that the brain is the transmitter/receiver for the spirit.

I have other personal experiences which confirm this assertion, including feeling the spirits of both my sister and mother pass through me as their physical bodies went into a deep coma before physical death, night travels, and so much more.