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To: js1138; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Again, I'm going to assert that the key test of free will is how an individual copes with the future.

This is far too vague, js. How is it key? The future is amorphous, ambiguous, undefined and immensely complex in its possibilities. What test does it give us?

878 posted on 02/24/2003 7:41:07 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
Again, I'm going to assert that the key test of free will is how an individual copes with the future.

This is far too vague, js. How is it key? The future is amorphous, ambiguous, undefined and immensely complex in its possibilities. What test does it give us?

I plead guilty to much of this, but only in degree, not in principle.

If you think for a moment about classical physics, the key concept was cause and effect, and cause always preceded effect. Living things turn this on its head. The behavior of living things is determined by the anticipated consequences. Reflexes and tropisms are generally analyzed as belonging to the classical view of cause and effect, but when you get to brains -- particularly brains with a significant sized temporal lobe -- you get more complex kinds of anticipation. This is the realm of psychology, admittedly a fuzzy science.

When you say "the future is amorphous, ambiguous, undefined and immensely complex" you are saying it is unpredictable in detail. But it is not entirely unpredictable. Every living thing must anticipate future events and consequences or die. Plants must anticapate seasonal changes, animals must find food and water. Animal species with simple, reflexive, brains place very little value on the individual life. As you work your way up the scale of brain size, there is more importance attached to the survival of the individual, and more means to enable this survival.

If you think about your personal life and what it means to have free will, I believe you will say you have the ability to make choices. But what does this mean? For me it means analyzing the current situation in terms of things that are possible to do and the anticipated consequences. There are lots of interesting things about this analysis, starting with the fact that there is no "list" of possible things to do. The list would have to be infinite and include things that have never been done before by myself or anyone else. Consider Star Trek's Captain Kirk's solution to the unsolvable training exercise -- cheat.

Secondly, the list of anticipated consequences is also infinite and unknowable. When you feel yourself engaging in free will you are feeling yourself solving an unsolvable problem, predicting the future.

880 posted on 02/24/2003 8:27:49 AM PST by js1138
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