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To: unspun
Nor more than Spontaneous Generation is science, since it deals with matters of metaphysics by begging the question.

If it is phrased as a scientific question capable of being assessed by valid research, then, yes, it is science (see the previous threads about "RNA world" research). Saying "Goddidit" or advocating ID/IOT are not science.

However, for an honest, 'liberal' education both creationism and godless life by poof should be discussed, as ontological and epistemological backdrops for the sciences.

What utter nonsense. We don't teach children about the monsters under their bed, pixies and elves, Giant Chickens and pink unicorns, or demons from the underworld in science class either.

It is a fallacy and an epistemological usurpation to say that hypothetics regarding utterly spontaneous generation are science while hypothetics regarding any intelligent design are not.

We are not talking hypothetics. We are discussing scientific questions that we may be able to answer someday about spontaneous generation and banning any such study on the other.

You cannot claim that a coin about this question must only come up "tails" (i.e., without a creative Head) in science class. Or to put it another way, if you do, you're wagging the dog.

We do not, nor do we assume that the "coin" has only two sides.

That is censorship, along the same lines as the Inquisition (albeit, without the red-hot pokers or the rack).

Really? Should we include the Giant Chickens or pink unicorns because some other religion wants them included too? Where would you draw the line? Would you force us to include your Creation story and then exclude all others?

Furthermore, scientists should also have the intellectual honesty to admit that if there is an all-powerful God, he could have developed all that we might see as evolution within seven of something that he calls days (or one in one moment).

We do, but it's so trivial a point that it's not worth discussing. And, of course, the logical fallacy from that point is that there would still be no relevant connection between such a god and your religion or your particular religious book, so starting with your religious book and attempting to work backwards to the first point, is not considered a fruitful endeavor to a scientist.

I hope this answers your questions.

542 posted on 02/18/2003 11:37:13 AM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666
You haven't answered my questions so much as demonstrated your position to be pro thought control, pro intellectual subterfuge, and pro Marxist-like atheistic revisionism.

No Giant Chicken or Pink Unicorn has told mankind that he is God, nor shown positive evidence of his being resurrected from the dead to multiple witnesses, etc.

But then, neither did Charles Darwin, who has brought you your religion.
550 posted on 02/18/2003 11:56:38 AM PST by unspun (Christ-informed, American constitutional republic: Yes. Libertarian & objectivist revisionisms: No.)
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