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To: jennyp
The concept of contingency does not depend on time.

It doesn't? So, an event can be contingent on something that hasn't happened yet? Whoa!

No. I meant that one being can be contingent on another, both existing simultaneously.

And yes, there IS a reason to conclude that the First Cause is a person--because WE are persons. Nothing can give what it does not have.

Hmmm... So, God must have a belly button because we have belly buttons? God must have DNA because we have DNA? God must be material because we are material?

Of course not. That's primitive thinking. God must be greater and more perfect than we are, in order for us to be what we are. What he cannot be is something less than we are.

340 posted on 02/16/2003 9:56:25 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
No. I meant that one being can be contingent on another, both existing simultaneously.

What does that mean, exactly? Can you give me an example?

God must be greater and more perfect than we are, in order for us to be what we are. What he cannot be is something less than we are.

So, "perfection" is a substance, that can be divided up & distributed among people, but cannot be created or grown from lesser amounts of perfection? Is there like a Law of Conservation of Perfection?

343 posted on 02/16/2003 10:04:07 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Arthur McGowan; jennyp
Hmmm... So, God must have a belly button because we have belly buttons? God must have DNA because we have DNA? God must be material because we are material?

Of course not. That's primitive thinking. God must be greater and more perfect than we are, in order for us to be what we are. What he cannot be is something less than we are.

Jenny doesn't like to think anything could be greater than man, Authur. Everything she believes depends on that. Which is why, paradoxically, in post #334 she even mocks the very suprahuman insights that allow science to progress, pretending instead, one must suppose, that the flights of imagination and fantasy that define genius are at base mere syllogism, and that man has never slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God.

698 posted on 02/19/2003 8:30:43 PM PST by beckett
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