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To: unspun
My point is that you apparently refused to consider anything or anyone existing outside of the time/space/material universe.

Ah, well, I'll consider anything. Imagining things is fun. Fantasy is fun. But reality depends on what we see & what hangs together logically from that. Darn reality.

334 posted on 02/16/2003 9:13:26 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jennyp
Ah, well, I'll consider anything. Imagining things is fun. Fantasy is fun. But reality depends on what we see & what hangs together logically from that. Darn reality.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.... He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

["Glory" means substance, matter, weight.]

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ."

Thank God for reality, however He has chosen any parts of it.

336 posted on 02/16/2003 9:27:09 PM PST by unspun (Christ-taught, American constitutional republic = Yes. Libertarian, objectivist revisionism = No.)
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To: jennyp
But reality depends on what we see & what hangs together logically from that. Darn reality.

You can't be serious with this assertion.

352 posted on 02/16/2003 11:21:30 PM PST by AndrewC (Reality did not exist until man was here to determine it.)
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