[PatrickHenry]

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[DeathfromBelow]

and if I'm right and you are wrong there will be hell to pay, but if you are right and I am wrong, I'll never worry about becoming ooze again.

[DannyTN]

In the scientific world, there is free and open competition of ideas, and even a scientist whose suggestions are not accepted is nevertheless free to continue to argue his case. In this free and open competition of ideas, creationism has clearly lost.

...they call themselves "scientific" creationists—and they are a growing power in the land..

Well which is it? Clearly lost or a growing power?