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To: unspun
Since your post contains only irrationalities there is no point in answering. That someone can say something doesn't make it fact is a point that clearly escapes creationists.

So the point in posting here is to answer this question:

Have you read anything by an apologist?

I have literally hundreds of hours listening to the greatest modern apologist, Dr. Walter Martin. He was also a superb logician.

At least he was honest enough to make the distinction between science and faith, and made no bones about it. I respect him for that. Rather than trying to prove the unprovable, as contemporary creationists do.

It was from him that I learned, if creationism can be proven, it destroys the concept of 'faith' upon which the religion is built. This is why you will always be doomed to fail, or will fail if you succeed.

I have no time for fools.

1,683 posted on 03/12/2003 10:07:34 AM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
It was from him that I learned, if creationism can be proven, it destroys the concept of 'faith' upon which the religion is built.

I'm not aware of any apologists who take the position that there can or should be no logical evidences for God having created the universe, in order to preserve faith, and I doubt that Walter Martin made such a statement either, just as I doubt you can provide me with the source and proof of the remarkable principle you assert. Christian faith is about salvation and heaven and what Christ did on the cross and this cannot really be the source of scientific investigation. The idea that God being the source of creation "must be about faith" and therefore cannot have any basis in logic or evidence is another way of avoiding difficult problems with evolution.

1,685 posted on 03/12/2003 10:35:58 AM PST by lasereye
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To: LogicWings
Rather than trying to prove the unprovable, as contemporary creationists do.

I suppose some creationists do this. Perhaps not as many though as evolutionists who claim something is proven, when it is not. I'm sure there are reasons for fools and that fools reason. However I don't imply that you are a fool.

You may be interested in this thread by betty boop, for considering what is and is not demonstrated by our physical surroundings. You'd have to use your imagination! If metaphysics and irrational mental exercises are foolishness to you, though, even for the purposes of becoming well-reasoned, you probably won't be interested.:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/860737/posts

1,686 posted on 03/12/2003 12:07:23 PM PST by unspun
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