[Rachumlakenschlaff]

VadeRetro wrote:
Already in our scenario what most human minds perceive as order and complexity have greatly increased in the universe over that almost-uniform gas cloud.

 I have no problem with that. But we differ in that I do not equate mere order and complexity with information. If you drop a thousand ball bearings into a container, there will be a high degree of order in their resultant positions. However, their orderly positions will contain no more information then before they were dropped. Similarly, there is a nice demonstration of bell curves in the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Steel balls are dropped through an array of pegs and collected in bins at the bottom. They nicely fall into a classic bell curve which is clearly more orderly then the pile they started from. But what information is stored in them by virtue of their shape? None at all.

I maintain that order and complexity are not the same as information.

[VadeRetro]

I maintain that order and complexity are not the same as information.

I've told you what I'm telling you. Please provide the basis for claiming a miracle. Don't even think about equivocating on the semantics of complexity, order, or information.