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To: Doubter; LaineyDee
I suppose we need to clarify what constitutes "mess up". I took the comment to refer to actions that bring public disgrace to the Presidency.

North testified that the Iran/Contra scheme was orchestrated by himself and Poindexter who both kept Reagan out of the loop because of the questionable legality of it. Reagan testified that he didn't recall anything about it. The liberals all claimed he was lying but, within a short time, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's so it's very plausible that he really did not recall anything. It can't be proven one way or the other.

Now, if you want to expand "mess up", I suppose you could include his sending troops to Beirut and the tax increase that was suppose to be tied into budget cuts. Congress didn't live up to their end of the agreement and deficits followed.

Were any of these things so disgraceful as to suggest Reagan should have left office?

Contrast this with the scandal of using the Oval Office to conduct trysts with an intern (technically, a boss taking sexual advantages with an employee), then lying about it under oath and encouraging Bettie Currie to both hide evidence and testify that no such thing happened. He essentially admitted he had lied or, in his Clintonian way, saying he was "less than helpful" because he disliked those who investigated him.

While the scandal might not have gone to the heart of governing, it did show a willful disregard for fundamentals of the law, and forced Congress to halt other business in order to spend several months on impeachment proceedings.

If we want to expand "mess up", then under Clinton's record we should include Waco (he ducked responsibility for that one, just as you claim Reagan did with Iran/Contra), illegal White House fundraisers, the sale of long-range missile technology to China, the agreement that allowed North Korea to acquire materials to build their own nukes, refusing to have Osama bin Laden arrested when the Somalis offered him to us, and the failed attempt at nationalized health care.

One might also be tempted to include the tax increase on Social Security recipients and the Elian Gonzalez raid but, to his credit, these things worked exactly as he intended them to so it is hard to consider them a "mess up". Reprehensible, yes, but not a mistake of any sort.

Rather than turning to Ronald Reagan, a better contrast to Clinton's dishonor would be Bob Livingston's resignation when he was about to become House Speaker over charges of marital infidelity, and Newt Gingrich's affair with a staffer which explained why he seemed unwilling to pursue some of Clinton's scandals when his voice was truly needed.

17 posted on 02/15/2003 3:24:40 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Where liberals lead, misery follows.)
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To: Tall_Texan; Doubter
If we want to expand "mess up", then under Clinton's record we should include Waco (he ducked responsibility for that one, just as you claim Reagan did with Iran/Contra), illegal White House fundraisers, the sale of long-range missile technology to China, the agreement that allowed North Korea to acquire materials to build their own nukes, refusing to have Osama bin Laden arrested when the Somalis offered him to us, and the failed attempt at nationalized health care.

Amen to that. How conveniently the Clintonista's (want to) forget.......and pass the buck to Reagan, Bush or anyone else that seems handy enough to blame. Don't forget about the trail of dead bodies from Arkansas to Washington, the horrible financial economy Clinton left the Arkansas constituents in, the drugs, etc., etc., etc. Shameful, disgraceful and ZERO dignity.

My economics professor stated that it takes about 6-8 years for the economy to feel the effects of economic adjustments made during a typical administration ... so Clinton enjoyed (and took credit for) all the Reagan economic policies. We are just now feeling the tip of the iceberg...so to speak, of what Clinton instituted. Ain't it grand? He sold us down the river.

18 posted on 02/15/2003 4:25:14 PM PST by LaineyDee
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