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Media Bias Stifles Creationists' Scientific Findings, Perspective
AgapePress ^ | February 11, 2003 | Jim Brown

Posted on 02/14/2003 5:41:19 PM PST by Remedy

The president of a Christian apologetics ministry says there is a bias within the mainstream media to present anything that seems to support evolution or undermines the Bible.

When evolutionists claimed they found a meteorite from Mars with life in it, the report received front-page headlines around the world -- and even then-President Clinton got involved. Yet when even secular scientists agreed that there was no evidence of life in that rock, the story received little attention from the press.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, says that was not an isolated case of bias. He explains that the secular media -- which he describes as atheistic and anti-Christian -- publishes most anything it can that appears to indoctrinate people and "hits against the Bible."

"It's very hard for us to get anything in there because coming from a biblical, creationist position and worrying about biblical morality [and believing] that the Bible's true, the secular world by and large doesn't want to hear it -- and secular media certainly don't want people to hear it," he says.

Ham says II Peter 3 tells us that men are willingly ignorant, deliberately reject, or choose to disbelieve. Certainly, Ham says, that is being exhibited in the media. And according to Ham, that even extends to scientific journals.

He explains that his ministry, which defends the biblical account of creation, has had to produce its own scientific journals because of censorship by evolutionists. He says it is nearly impossible to have creation research papers published in magazines like Nature or Science.

"They say [our articles] are not scientific [because] they have the creationist philosophy," Ham says. "It doesn't matter how scientific our scientists are, if they come from a creationist perspective, they won't publish them.

"And then they turn around and tell the public [it] can't trust creationists because they don't publish reputable papers in scientific journals," he says. "In fact, they won't let us publish the papers."

Ham says when this occurs, he is often reminded of the passage in scripture which says: "The heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked."


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To: Remedy
Ok, let me try this again.
The Second Law states that energy/information tends to become more disorganized with time. In a CLOSED system.
Now then, a closed system is akin to a perfectly insulated black box, no material enters or exits the box, no energy enters or exits the box.
In short, the closed system features an inpenetrable barrier which does not allow anything in or out of the box.

The Earth is an OPEN system. We receive a great deal of energy from the sun, various gasses dissipate into space and we receive regular meteor strikes.
With an open system, you can input energy to overcome entropy, allowing something to become more ordered.
Such as using electricity (via a refrigeration system) to freeze water.

Now then, given that the Earth is an open system, what about the universe?
The universe is generally thought to be a closed system, which means entropy inside the box must always increase.
How then does this apply to the Earth/Sun open system?
One must remember that it is the NET change in entropy that truely matters. The Earth receives energy from the sun, allowing order to occur. But what about the entropy balance on the sun?
The sun produces a large amount of energy via fusion, a process that produces an immense quantity of entropy (via putting out all that energy and gas). So the entropy balance of the solar system goes as follows (with positive being in the direction of more entropy):

SUN(production of entropy) - EARTH(reduction of entropy)=Positive entropy balance.

I apologize for spelling and grammar mistakes, but the science above is in working order, albeit simplified.
101 posted on 02/15/2003 11:51:53 AM PST by Saturnalia
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To: VadeRetro
This is why we hope you are willing to consider looking into the results near Mt. St. Helens.

The model requires the newly deposited rocks to become strong enough within a few months after deposition to stand as mile high cliffs in violation of all reasonable calculations from hydrology, soil mechanics, and strength of materials.

Did this person run some tests to prove his theory? I do not believe this person considered the pressures caused by having an oceanload of water on top of the sediments for over a year.

P.S. Man can create oil in a labratory with completely insignificant amounts of time.

102 posted on 02/15/2003 11:52:12 AM PST by bondserv
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To: Remedy
Calling a Lie a Lie or calling a misrepresentation a misrepresentation isn't an insult to you unless your the one telling it. It is a statement of Fact.

I also don't believe in your God you do. Its not hypocritical because I do not subscribe to your system of belief.
103 posted on 02/15/2003 11:52:55 AM PST by Sentis
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To: tortoise
You may be correct.

Lets get some scientists out there to explain how the water flowed uphill for millions of years. We agree, these are questions that are worth investigating.
104 posted on 02/15/2003 11:59:00 AM PST by bondserv
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To: Remedy
Evolution's greatest task is to give a good explanation of the biochemical/molecular events that gave rise to life, which it can't. If you can get the first cell, I can at least grant them how it could make sense, in a world without God, how multicelluar creatures could have evolved.
105 posted on 02/15/2003 11:59:07 AM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: bondserv
Lets get some scientists out there to explain how the water flowed uphill for millions of years. We agree, these are questions that are worth investigating.

Where is there evidence that water flowed uphill for millions of years?

106 posted on 02/15/2003 12:03:02 PM PST by tortoise
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To: bondserv
bondserv, you are a complete idiot. Not only are you posting the same cut and pasted drivel, but you were thoroughly, soundly, and resolutely answered, refuted, corrected, exposed, and shut up about a month ago in that never ending thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/821189/posts

You are being a dishonest troll, and for that, my "idiot" comment remains, idiot.
107 posted on 02/15/2003 12:04:20 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: VadeRetro
The geological column is used by evolutionists to support their theory.

The geological column is unreliable because it cannot be consistent.

Many animals are going extinct in our lifetimes and will not show up on any geological column.

The possible reason there are so many bones in the sediment is because they were buried and did not have time to rot. Not just dinosaurs, but modern animals of which some are extinct today.
108 posted on 02/15/2003 12:12:43 PM PST by bondserv
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To: realpatriot71
"Evolution's greatest task is to give a good explanation of the biochemical/molecular events that gave rise to life, which it can't"

It needs to do no such thing. There is ample evidence of evolution and evolutionary theory. One day we may discover the method by which the first cell arose but we do not need this evidence to study evolution or to know evolution actually occurs. Scientists are different from creationists in that we (I'm an archaeologist) don't make up reasons that Life first appeared. We may speculate how it happend but no scientist will defend speculation without evidence.

Creationists look to their mythology and holy books to provide answers and then seek to prove this dogma.
109 posted on 02/15/2003 12:19:49 PM PST by Sentis
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To: whattajoke
I haven't thought of myself as corrected, exposed, refuted, or shut up yet.

But it appears we are having a relational problem that I am open to discussion on.

You are neither a troll nor an idiot, but you are potentially valuable to our discussion if you possess a mediocrity of decorum.
110 posted on 02/15/2003 12:20:57 PM PST by bondserv
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To: tortoise
See post #30 in this thread.

Thanks for responding to my post as well. Some of these folks are tough.
111 posted on 02/15/2003 12:25:39 PM PST by bondserv
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To: Sentis
I don't necessarily disagree. Evolution happens, gene frequencies changes, and animals adapt to selection pressures. I'm not the kind of creationist who thinks evolution doesn't happen, but I also do not believe evolution is the correct explanation to the origin of life on this planet. The biochemistry and molecular biology of life is too complex for any of it to have heppened by chance. All of the molecular reactions of life exist in an interlinked chemical equilibrium. You can't get any of this to start "first" because it all has to exist or none of it will. If you can deal with that, fine. Until "how life appears from chemicals only" gets explaiend to me at the molecular level, I will be forever a believer in creation.
112 posted on 02/15/2003 12:32:42 PM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: bondserv
Many animals are going extinct in our lifetimes and will not show up on any geological column.

They'll stop being fossilized after they aren't around anymore. We see a lot of that in the fossil record now. The pattern of appearances and disappearances that we see there says something other than one big flood built those sediments. So do the indications of non-catastropic surface and near-surface conditions (delicate worm and insect burrows, hardened tracks and footprints, raindrop imprints, dried mud cracks) from various different eras up and down the column.

113 posted on 02/15/2003 12:35:36 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Remedy
You can't convince me! Nyah, nyah, na-nyah, nyah [with fingers in ears and eyes tightly closed]!

</ end creationist-idiocy posting mode >

114 posted on 02/15/2003 12:58:52 PM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
I partially agree with you. But there were layers of various types of mud, super heated rock and ash existent at St. Helens that created strata albeit not as established as at the Grand Canyon.

I wish some reputable open-minded scientists would put together some studies of the area. As I said in a prior post they have found petrified logs running through the strata near St. Helens. Petrified in an insignificant amount of time.

Modern scientists haven't considered the possibilities associated with a worldwide flood in geological terms. Maybe a computer model could be made to try and predict the possible results on the crust of the earth.

P.S. The boy in Chicago that was tortured upon death stepped into the arms of a man who was brutally tortured to death as well. Jesus can handle that boys issues as well as He can handle ours.

God knew His Son would be tortured brutally before He was sent. They blindfolded Him so He couldn't see the stick that was going to crush His face. They tore out His beard. They whipped him till He had stripes.

Those stripes can heal you today.
115 posted on 02/15/2003 1:00:57 PM PST by bondserv
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To: balrog666; realpatriot71; Sentis; Saturnalia
Crank up your Bob Seger Chevy truck music and listen:

Stood there boldly
Flamin' in the sun
Felt like a million eons
Felt like number one
The height of arrogance
I'd never believed that strong
Like a rock

I was eighteen
Didn't have a care
Looking for missing links
Not a fossil to spare
But I was foolish and
Deceived everywhere
Like a rock

My hands were steady
My eyes were clear and bright
My Descent had purpose
My posts were quick and slight
And I held firmly
To what I believed was right
Like a rock

Like a rock, I was right as Darwin could be
Like a rock, nothin' ever got to me
Like a rock, I was something to see
Like a rock

And I flamed arrow straight
Unencumbered by the contrary weight
Of all these Creationists and their facts
I stood proud, I stood tall
High above it all
I still believed in my evolution, religiously

Twenty years now
Where'd they go?
twenty years
I don't know
sit and I wonder sometimes
Where they've gone

And sometimes late at night
When I'm bathed in the monitors' light
The Creationist comes callin' and is mostly right
And I recall
recall

Like a rock. Flamin' arrow straight
Like a rock, pingin' from the gate
Like a rock, carryin' Darwins' weight

Like a crock

Like a rock, the sun upon my skin
Like a rock, hard against the Inherited wind
Like a rock, I see myself down again
Like a rock

116 posted on 02/15/2003 1:08:44 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Whee! Make a scientific point, get called a fool.
LUV U K THX BYE!
117 posted on 02/15/2003 1:12:11 PM PST by Saturnalia
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To: Saturnalia
I had no idea that U were an evolutionist;-)
118 posted on 02/15/2003 1:15:54 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Don't let the title of this link frighten you away from reading all of the material. Thermodynamics vs. Evolutionism

This is the classic bait & switch argument. Here's how I respon to that at Creation/Evolution: The Eternal Debate:

Here's the prototypical 2LoT debate:

Creationist: The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (2LoT) makes evolution impossible. The 2LoT says that everything tends to disorder, but evolution creates order out of disorder. Therefore it's impossible.

Evolutionist: You've got it half-right, but halfway isn't nearly enough if you want to understand the real issue. Living things must keep total disorder at bay on a molecular level, and to do this they must move molecules around. This takes work, which requires energy input and waste heat output. So the 2LoT tells us that all living things must eat. It implies nothing more than that!

Creationist: Oh, um, did I say the 2LoT prevents evolution from happening? I meant that even though the 2LoT does not prevent evolution from happening, it's not sufficient to explain it. There also has to be a "programmed energy transfer mechanism". After all, if you lay in the sun, it doesn't mean you can stop eating - you have to get your energy in specific ways for it to help your body to keep disorder at bay.

Evolutionist: Well, duh. Nice try at changing the subject!

Creationists can be notoriously sloppy about how they structure their arguments, but it seems they are really trying to make two different claims:

  1. The 2LoT makes abiogenesis impossible
  2. The 2LoT makes subsequent evolution of structures of increasing complexity impossible

Claim #1 is answered when we realize how small were the first RNA strands that were able to catalyze metabolic functions including their own replication, thus rising above the molecular "noise" to create self-sustaining colonies. (These molecules don't need any outside "information storage mechanism" nor "programmed energy transfer system" to keep the process going.) Some of these are small enough that they could have arisen initially by pure chance.

Once colonies of reproducing chemicals exist, it makes sense to think of them as populations - competing and cooperating within & between populations in a "free market chemical economy". As any economist will tell you, in any free market specialization is inevitable because of Comparative Advantage. There are greater rewards to be found in (and therefore selective pressure towards) specialization. In the chemical "economy", we see that RNA can catalyze reactions, and it can also store information. So can RNA's close cousin, DNA. But DNA is much better at storing information than is RNA, and RNA is a better catalyst than DNA. Proteins & peptides can be more efficient at catalyzing reactions than either RNA or DNA, but generally cannot store the information needed to direct their own replication. There is nothing in the 2nd Law that prohibits these kinds of specialization, except that these chemicals must have a source of energy. The "programmed energy transfer mechanism" that a more complex & tightly-integrated economy would eventually find indispensible, would at first simply be another such advantageous specialization: ATP, a precursor to RNA nucleosides, also turns out to be a very efficient store of energy on its own, and today it's used as a widespread "energy currency" throughout all kinds of cells. Similarly, our economy was originally based on barter, with one useful commodity or service being traded directly for another; but as it evolved certain versatile commodities such as gold and silver became used more as the basis for money than did anything else.

Claim #2 is particularly vague. Creationists never define exactly what they mean by "evolution of structures of increasing complexity". Do they mean species whose genomes have more base pairs than their parent species? More genes than their parent species? More chromosomes than their parent species? More random-looking letter sequences than in their parent species' genes? Higher number of cells in their bodies than that of their parent species? More differentiated cell types than their parent species? More organs than their parent species? More neurons in their brains than their parent species?

Standard, well-known processes explain all of these phenomena - gene duplication and hijacking, recombination, chromosome doubling (mostly in plants), etc. And remember: None of these are prohibited by the 2nd Law, as long as the organisms remember to eat dinner!

That's why creationists' 2nd Law of Thermodynamics arguments fail.


119 posted on 02/15/2003 1:20:15 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
The scabland of eastern Washington and the Colombia River gorge (in hard basalt rock) were created fairly quickly by a few repeated glacial ice dams breaking and the water rushing out (in a matter of days each time). There are rows of 100+ foot tall hills out near Hanford that are actually giant "ripple" marks from the last flood. It took a LONG time for that theory to become acceptable.
120 posted on 02/15/2003 1:20:51 PM PST by geopyg
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