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To: Romulus
"Pope Pius IX confined Rome's Jews to a ghetto and forcibly baptised their children as Christians.
He allegedly referred to Jews as "dogs".
When he died a mob tried to throw his body into the River Tiber.

Mr Melchior said that the beatification of Pope Pius was equivalent to giving support to "the Roman Catholic Church's historical record of forced conversions."

Jewish groups also voiced their protests. The New York-based Anti-Defamation League called the beatification "troubling".

"I am very disappointed by this," said Rabbi David Rosen, head of the International Jewish-Christian Association.

per the BBC good try on the whitewash but it's a whitewash all the same

211 posted on 02/16/2003 1:35:10 AM PST by MarMema
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To: George W. Bush
Vatican drawn into scandal over gold CNN

danse macabre

US intelligence document links 170 million in Nazi gold to the vatican TIME magazine

croatians still salute HitlerBBC

Irish times on the catholic croats

clerical fascism studies

212 posted on 02/16/2003 1:59:25 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
This is a post about Tariq Azziz, but you can resist attacking Catholics. Ironically, you feel the same way about catholics that you claim they felt about Jews. And the historical errors, I don't know where to begin. For example, there was a controversy surrounded the baptism of one boy...which you have turned into forcible baptisms of masses of jewish children.
213 posted on 02/16/2003 2:10:30 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: MarMema
Mr Melchior said that the beatification of Pope Pius was equivalent to giving support to "the Roman Catholic Church's historical record of forced conversions."

Taken with the beatification of the Ustashe Cardinal Stepinac, clearly the history of the forced conversion campaigns is being rewritten. I believe this is being done to make way for another such campaign.

218 posted on 02/16/2003 7:37:26 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: MarMema
The fact that the Church attracts the hatred of bigots like you is all the assurance I need of her goodness.
223 posted on 02/16/2003 9:46:38 AM PST by Romulus
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To: MarMema
"Pope Pius IX confined Rome's Jews to a ghetto and forcibly baptised their children as Christians. He allegedly referred to Jews as "dogs". When he died a mob tried to throw his body into the River Tiber.

Most of this is an outright lie.

For example, compare and contrast with the truth about the ghetto:

In April 1848 [Pius IX] ordered the Jewish ghetto in Rome to be abolished, its gates removed, and soldiers to be stationed there to protect the inhabitants, who, he declared, were not foreigners. He also abolished irritating impositions such as the requirement for Jews to attend the local Sunday sermon. Is this hatred of Jews?

More truth about Pio Nono here.

234 posted on 02/16/2003 4:28:44 PM PST by Campion
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