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Training mission signals greater US role in Columbia conflict
The Boston Globe through the Washington Post (Wilson's byline) ran on pA10 ^ | 09 February 2003 | Scott Wilson

Posted on 02/14/2003 7:47:15 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost

Edited on 02/14/2003 7:51:51 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SARAVENA, Columbia—The arrival of US special forces trainers in this battered town last month signaled that the US military will play a more direct role in Columbia’s long civil war, a challenge that could lead the country’s two leftist guerilla armies to broaden attacks against US targets.

Late last month, the smaller of the two Marxist-oriented guerilla movements, the National Liberation Army, kidnapped two journalists, a Briton and an American, in this oil-rich region of eastern Columbia, saying the province had become a “war zone declared by the North American government and the Columbian state.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: advisors; coca; columbia; drugwar; latinamericalist; leftistrebels; specialforces; usmilitarypresence; vietnamredux
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I couldn't find this piece on line anywhere, but I read it on Sunday and felt it needed more exposure, especially here on FR, so I typed it in (any spelling/syntax errors mine). Does anyone else find the transfer of War on Drugs materiel to outright combat operations a bit suspicious, even with Congressional approval? After all, we taxpayers bought this equipment to fight the "War on Drugs," yet now, for all intents and purposes, that equipment is going to be used by the Columbian government to fight its civil war. Is this what the WoD is really about?

It's also interesting to note that the area of ops is "oil rich" in addition to being coca-rich. Hmm.

1 posted on 02/14/2003 7:47:15 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I mean, Holy Moses, change a few place names and some dates, and this could be Neil Sheehan material from the early 1960s.
4 posted on 02/14/2003 7:50:34 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
drugs = terror // terror = drugs... what a bullshiite way to get us into a shooting war in SA
5 posted on 02/14/2003 7:54:47 AM PST by Lexington Green
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To: Sidebar Moderator
SM, could you chop a piece out of the companion article I posted on this thread? Sorry about that---I thought it was the LAT/NYT, not WP. Also the dupe post of it . . .
6 posted on 02/14/2003 7:57:10 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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Some of the elite U.S. troops, most of whom were too young to have known the Vietnam War, reject any parallels between that conflict and the growing American military involvement in Colombia.

One U.S. Army special forces captain, who like most of the other American soldiers could not be named for security reasons, described his parents as "ex-hippies" and said his father was a conscientious objector who refused to fight in Vietnam. This war, the soldier insisted, is different.

"Vietnam was a war not so much of a communist insurgency but a war of national liberation, but here that's not the case," the captain said. "I really don't think the guerrillas here have popular support."

The captain noted that Colombia supplies oil to the United States and that rebel attacks on the country's petroleum industry - an effort to extort money - "does have a big effect on oil prices at home."

"We definitely have a strategic interest and a moral obligation," he said.

Ugh.....

7 posted on 02/14/2003 7:58:14 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: *Latin_America_List
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8 posted on 02/14/2003 7:58:56 AM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I found the link to the article I posted.

U.S. Moves Closer to Colombia's War Involvement of Special Forces Could Trigger New Wave of Guerrilla Violence

9 posted on 02/14/2003 8:05:59 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Moderators, please note: this is an AP article, not a WP article.

Green Berets Training Colombia Soldiers
By ANDREW SELSKY Associated Press Writer

SARAVENA, Colombia (AP) - Colombian troops battling leftist rebels are getting inspiration from U.S. Army Green Berets - and from U.S. Gen. George S. Patton.

On an edge of a military base amid vast expanses of scrubland in an eastern region dominated by rebels, a sign carries the famed World War II general's words exhorting soldiers to not sacrifice their lives for their country, but to "make the other poor bastard die for his."

U.S. Army special forces, wearing wraparound sunglasses and armed with assault rifles and grenade launchers, roll past in Humvees on their way to train Colombian soldiers to set up ambushes and other offensive tactics.

As Washington's policy to Colombia shifts from fighting drugs to helping combat rebels, the Pentagon has put dozens of Green Berets in the hottest war zone in Colombia: Arauca state, where assassinations, car bombings, kidnappings and other attacks occur regularly.

On Thursday night, for example, rebels fought Colombian policemen, wounding three of them, in the center of Saravena, a town adjoining the base along the Venezuelan border.

The American soldiers are ready to defend themselves - and expected to if attacked. When a dozen journalists visited the Saravena base Friday, the Americans took up defensive positions, scanning the surrounding dry savanna for any threat.

Arauca has long been a stronghold for the rebel groups, who have been fighting Colombia's army and paramilitary for four decades. About 3,500 people - mainly civilians - die in the conflict each year.

Rebels sometimes exchange their uniforms for civilian clothes and mix with the local population. Asked if he had seen any Colombian rebels, one Green Beret captain responded: "Practically every day."

The 70 American soldiers arrived in Arauca in late January to train Colombian soldiers to protect an oil pipeline, carrying crude owned by Los Angeles-based Occidental Petroleum, from rebel bomb attacks.

The Americans - who live in the Saravena base and other military installations in Arauca - are barred from participating in missions with Colombian troops.

But some are chomping at the bit.

"When the time for action comes, we have to say: 'Go. You're on your own,'" grumbled a veteran Green Beret sergeant. "That's not the way I like to do it."

The Colombian and U.S. governments insist they don't want American soldiers fighting in Colombia. Underscoring the sensitivity, U.S. Black Hawk helicopters that were to shuttle the Green Berets between training bases in Arauca have been grounded.

"What happens if during one of the flights they get fired upon, they return fire, and someone makes the claim that civilians got killed? That would be a huge problem," said a U.S. military official. Colombian and U.S. officials are reportedly trying to work out a compromise - possibly allowing Colombian soldiers to join the helicopter crews - that would allow the Black Hawks to be used.

Some of the elite U.S. troops, most of whom were too young to have known the Vietnam War, reject any parallels between that conflict and the growing American military involvement in Colombia.

One U.S. Army special forces captain, who like most of the other American soldiers could not be named for security reasons, described his parents as "ex-hippies" and said his father was a conscientious objector who refused to fight in Vietnam. This war, the soldier insisted, is different.

"Vietnam was a war not so much of a communist insurgency but a war of national liberation, but here that's not the case," the captain said. "I really don't think the guerrillas here have popular support."

The captain noted that Colombia supplies oil to the United States and that rebel attacks on the country's petroleum industry - an effort to extort money - "does have a big effect on oil prices at home."

"We definitely have a strategic interest and a moral obligation," he said.

Critics of U.S. aid to this South American country say the United States should not be allied with a military that has a checkered human rights record. And they warn that Washington is on a slippery slope that can lead to further involvement.

U.S. officials point out that the Colombian Army's 18th brigade, which is receiving training in Arauca, has been vetted for human rights abuses - as have three army counternarcotics battalions that U.S. soldiers trained in the past three years.

Colombian Army Maj. Frank Castrillon said he appreciates the U.S. effort.

"This support is really important," he said. "Our troops are learning tactics from an army that has participated in many wars."

2003-02-08 18:38:02 GMT

10 posted on 02/14/2003 8:09:31 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
Pinging some of the usual suspects to a few stories I've been following lately.
11 posted on 02/14/2003 8:17:05 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: illumini; Coleus; Libertarianize the GOP; Alamo-Girl
Bump for your consideration.
12 posted on 02/14/2003 8:19:02 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
carrying crude owned by Los Angeles-based Occidental Petroleum,

Ah,yes. The oil company owned by the deceased mentor of both Al Gore's,and THE prime agent of Stalin and later leaders of the Soviet Union in the west,Armand Hammer. I wonder how much stock the Bush family has in Occidental? It's VERY important they protect this,because once he starts his war with Iraq,Saddam is going to set fire to Iraq's oil fields,and oil prices AND stocks will soar.

13 posted on 02/14/2003 8:24:34 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
If things go as usual, the cocaine trade will be booming in short order. Funny how U.S. military involvement always seems to end up with that result.
14 posted on 02/14/2003 8:25:39 AM PST by Wolfie
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SP, are you a Vietnam Vet? I think I remember picking it up somewhere that you were. If so, what do you think of the parallels between this and what guys like John Paul Vann were doing in Vietnam in the early 1960s?
15 posted on 02/14/2003 8:27:45 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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If things go as usual, the cocaine trade will be booming in short order. Funny how U.S. military involvement always seems to end up with that result.

This story really disturbs me because it shows how easily drug warrior materiel is transformed into real warrior materiel. They sell it to the taxpayers with War on Drugs rhetoric, when all along---and I'm assuming here, not that I think I'm leaping a huge chasm---they knew what they were going to use it for: war. Who picks up the tab? We taxpayers do, in a $1.3 billion W.o.D. anti-drug package that was really a pretty wrapping for direct military aid.

16 posted on 02/14/2003 8:30:28 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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The Colombia boondoggle is just a way to funnel money to Congressmen's home districts via defense contracts. Take a look at how the helicopter deal came together. Pure pork.
17 posted on 02/14/2003 8:39:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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SP, are you a Vietnam Vet?

Yes.

If so, what do you think of the parallels between this and what guys like John Paul Vann were doing in Vietnam in the early 1960s?

I don't really see any parallels. Even the reasons for our involvement are different,as are the missions and the goals. We went into VN in support of the 1954 SEATO agreements in a effort to stop the spread of communism. We have been sending these training teams to Columbia now for decades. Yeah,they originally went there to teach the Columbian army how to fight against the communist insurgents there who were a VERY real threat to the stability of the government there,but it evolved into the so-called "War on Drugs" because the communist guerillas there were getting their funding from either selling drugs or providing security for the drug dealers.

I don't see this escalating into a conventional war where units like the 82nd Abn or 3rd Infantry Division will be sent. Yeah,it's violent as hell,but it's still small potatoes in the stragetic sense. Unless you are a US politician worried about drug dealers gaining enough wealth and power they become a threat to you,that is.

18 posted on 02/14/2003 8:48:36 AM PST by sneakypete
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Just one correction: EVERYBODY is hip deep in the cocaine trade down there. The "good" guys, and the "bad" guys.
19 posted on 02/14/2003 9:07:19 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Thanks for the heads up!
20 posted on 02/14/2003 9:38:05 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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